Valve responds to Left 4 Dead 2 ban

Island_Wolf · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:12 pm�� Post subject:

I'm a fence-sitting person here just because R18+ games are games I wouldn't play anyway but I just have thoughts flying around my head and I just want to release it here.

Just because gamers aren't happy about a R18+, what about other groups of people?. I can safely bet that parents who are already whining that their underage kids are playing MA15+ that there will be R18+ and they would certain be even more angry. And yes, I know they are the one that provided the game to their kids but you know parents these days, rather give in to shut their kid up rather than putting up with screaming kids (and I see a lot of that just in toy stores alone). Best example is McDonalds, many parents more than happy to bring their kid to McDonalds to make them happy, and then turn to the gov when their kids turn fat and force them to take action instead, like removing the ad off tv, etc.

Our parliament also have not many young members so their ideas and values appears to be old fashion but it's not their fault entirely. They just happen to grow up with that and we in the future will have kids hating us for the decision our generation makes for their future, we just not old enough yet for that stage but it will come.

Also, the issue of R18+ game, I have no idea how long this issue has been going for but firstly, may I say, Michael Attkinson might not be the only A-G to oppose it, I don't know the full situation but it looks like to me he is made an scapegoat by other members of the parliament and other A-G. Am I the only one who thinks that?

Why was there no R18+ games? How long does it take for any sort of change to take place?. The problem is we are in a generation where we are expecting things too quickly while with issue like having an R18+ game might not become so until many years down the track, just wanting it now and not thinking how to get it in the long term might just delay having that rating. Setting up a website like Everybody's Play will help.

Just something to think about.
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Qbert · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:54 pm�� Post subject:

Karai Pantsu · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:03 pm�� Post subject:

Island_Wolf · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:09 pm�� Post subject:

Our gov. has been know to be slow at times, even for a change... I can spend all day but it will just be time wasting, but one example is Howard's view on climate change.

Edit 2 - (Wording it better - this is in favour of 18+) Not having a 18+ game will generate a lot of news and have an effect by having people who might not even be interested in the game looking up banned content, instead of the possibility of only people who are interested will get it, if they are not, they might not heard about it.

Edit - Karai Pantsu ninjaed!!!. No, I strongly do oppose lazy parents, in fact, I accidently cut the part about lazy parenting out to make my post small. I deal with lazy parents all the time and it shits me off that I am more a mother than their mothers themselves. But when they ask me to then help their kids to play less violent games... I say no just because I wasn't the one who bought it for them in the first time, they did and they should deal with it.
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Karai Pantsu · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:14 pm�� Post subject:

Err, what? Games continuing to be banned will have an equally 'bad effect' in that people will make a point of looking up these games and, more than likely, downloading them just to check out the naughty, illegal game. I think that's a pretty flimsy reason to not make the step up to R ratings.

Besides, as has been well documented, having MA15+ as the highest possible rating ensures that titles that should fit under an R rating violence will keep being pushed through as MA15+ and getting sold to people it shouldn't be.

Edit: Ah, my mistake then. I thought you were suggesting we shouldn't move to an R rating because those people would have a whinge about their kids having access to even more violent titles.
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lapzod · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:16 pm�� Post subject:

When you sit on the classification board, you are only there for four years, so the board is kept up to date with society. There was a change over about 3 years ago, so there should be one coming up soon.

Island_Wolf · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:19 pm�� Post subject:

Karai, I did say not having 18+ will cause people, even non-gamers, to take notice and a bad effect is them checking up on it (I wasn't opposing it)

. I know it happened for Silent Hill when all my non-gamer friends said they check up on youtube just to see why what was the fuss was about because it was in the news.

Edit - sorry, re-read my post and I guess I could've worded better, lol. Okay, fixed up my other post.
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Qbert · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:25 pm�� Post subject:

shadeslayer · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:01 pm�� Post subject:

How they could police this when steam is an US service....
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Karai Pantsu · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:39 pm�� Post subject:

Answered in the previous L4D2 thread by someone more knowledgeable than I:

RooRage · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:51 pm�� Post subject:

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