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The real problem here is simply now there is NO chance of Australian console or PC servers (Bigpond and Internode wont legally be able to serve a banned game on PC)....
Or even simply a COD:WAWesque (search for local game option for Aussies on the console.
My hopes are dashed for this game to work on 360. Serioulsy L4D was terrible online on console unless you tricked it into letting you host.
Makes a new PC look more and more tempting...... LAN.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Why would anyone want to play something that violent? Our fragile minds need protection from this kind of satanic game. You should all be ashamed, the OFLC is our last line of defence in protecting us.
Anyone that wants an R18+ rating just wants to play **** and murder simulators!
FOR SHAME!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeZombie777 wrote: | | You all think Australia is a free country? Pigs ass. You think "she'll be right mate"? Pigs ass. There you have it people, due to your apathetic BS we have finally lost one of the biggest games of the year. |
I'm not sure there's much more us citizens can do. There's only one person standing in the way of changing the classification system and he steadfastly refuses to change his mind. Not to mention that he's in one of the safest seats in South Australia. I abhor this situation as much as the next guy, but what else can you expect to be done?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Shorty wrote: | | I'm not sure there's much more us citizens can do. There's only one person standing in the way of changing the classification system and he steadfastly refuses to change his mind. Not to mention that he's in one of the safest seats in South Australia. I abhor this situation as much as the next guy, but what else can you expect to be done? |
I agree. He has stated that he is open to discuss the issue with anyone concerned over the classification saga. But I doubt there are many mature gamers who would be able to change his stance on the issue.
I'm patiently waiting for him to retire. Until then, imports are the go.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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I love how the report gives a good tip on how to clear multiple enemies in one go.
and this is how the censored version would look like:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/8/11/.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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...This is why I hate this country sometimes.
The ratings system needs an overhaul. Seriously.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Camerooni wrote: | To me it sounded like their biggest problem was:
"The Infected, who are living humans infected with a rabies-like virus that causes them to act violently".
I'd feel less cool killing masses and masses of 'people' as opposed to 'living dead zombie horde'.. It's also the first point they make, which leads me to believe that this was their main concern.
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So forget about the fact that you wouldn't consider GTA gory, you kill thousands of innocent people for no reason at all and that's cool.But killiing people with a virus that makes them act fatally towards you is somehow less cool than killing innocent people for no reason?
I'm not having a go at you but I don't see why you should feel any less cool for killing people in L4D when other games let you kill thouasands of innocent people for no reason.Unless you're one of the few people that don't play GTA.
Now maybe no quite as gory but Prototype you can also dismember and slice in half innocent people for no reason other than they get in your way.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Gamesta wrote: | | So forget about the fact that you wouldn't consider GTA gory, you kill thousands of innocent people for no reason at all and that's cool. |
You don't 'need' to play GTA in this manner.. but the character is not driven to act like that in the story.. Left 4 Dead, there is nothing else to do BUT kill the zombies (uhh.. I mean 'rabies-like' infected people.. or something). It is the sole reason for the game existing.
In theory GTA has consequences for going on a mad killing of the innocents spree.. (Granted it's pretty week, but it's not the sole purpose of the game).
And yes, I couldn't play the Condemned games because I didn't like the - there's a 'crazy' person, what do I do, hit them in the face with an iron bar. Oh they're on drugs that make them violent.. that makes it okay then. *Shudder*
And also yes, I know that last comment that by these thoughts Condemned should have been refused classification - and in my mind it should have been.. Many games get an MA15+ that should be R18+.
I haven't played Prototype, sorry, but I thought a large amount of the dismemberment portion of the gameplay was edited for the Australian release? I'm not saying editing is the solution - Editing is needless and stupid!
So to get back to your original point - No I don't play much GTA, Yes I do find it less cool than slaughtering Zombie hordes..
But I don't want to stop others from playing those games - I was just expressing what I felt was a major contributing factor to why they deemed a 'reasonable adult' might find this product offensive when combined with the subsequently mentioned dismemberment, and blood gore.
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"I haven't played Prototype, sorry, but I thought a large amount of the dismemberment portion of the gameplay was edited for the Australian release? I'm not saying editing is the solution - Editing is needless and stupid!"
Nope it was released totally uncut in Australia. I have it.
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| Camerooni wrote: |
You don't 'need' to play GTA in this manner.. |
No but I doubt there's to many people that don't kill people because they don't have to.I can't imagine people playing it and saying to themself "I'm not going to kill people because I don't have to" 
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| MikeZombie777 wrote: | | Nope it was released totally uncut in Australia. I have it. |
Cool.. I wasn't aware of that. That actually highlights another problem. Why some games and not others?
I'm not entirely sure of the process but I believe they take a sample of people to review content. I don't think it's a full time job.. So the people seeing one game/film aren't necessarily seeing the others in the same genre.. That would explain the more erratic decisions. But then if it's a sampling of people - where are these people coming from. Off the street, employed in the office, random number generator?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeZombie777 wrote: |
Nope it was released totally uncut in Australia. I have it. |
Yeah deffinitely no editing in it.Slice people in half and you can see their insides.People get shot by big enough firepower and you see a spine with insides attached flying around.
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| Gamesta wrote: | | I can't imagine people playing it and saying to themself "I'm not going to kill people because I don't have to" |
No probably not.. but there are a lot of people who may run someone over by accident and say 'Sorry' even if they giggle about it afterwards. Or others that feel guilty because in the process of taking out their target they shoot up half the street.
This is going to become more of a problem as games get more realistic. You're going to see more ethical discussion around this sort of thing.. Does shooting someone in the face in a videogame have the same impact as shooting someone in the face for real? Granted this is an extreme example - we all like to think we have the ability to control ourselves in areas where it's not appropriate (as decided by our society/laws), but I guess it depends on the situation, easy access to firearms, and so on.
And by this token, and it's clearly interactive nature.. by 'choosing' to shoot this person in the face in the game - should this be restricted from those who might not be able to make the distinction that we all do. Because we all know we'd never do that in real life right.. It's just a game! 
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, just wow. Refused in a game you kill zombies. I was always annoyed by our current system. Now I'm fuming.
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Sheesh.. I just realised I probably sound like a Lynda Le Plante novel *shudder*
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There is no consistancy at all. I don't see how this game is any different from Dead Rising, Ninja Gaiden 2 or hell even, LEFT 4 DEAD!
It's probably one stupid tiny issue that has stopped it getting classifed. I swear they do this just to annoy us gamers.
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Sounds like their main problem is that the enemies are 'infected humans' rather than undead critters... I wonder if a simple change to what they are called would be enough to get this through as MA15+ ?
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You know, maybe I won't stay here after I get my Italian citizenship... This country is worse than China.
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| Karai Pantsu wrote: | | Sounds like their main problem is that the enemies are 'infected humans' rather than undead critters... I wonder if a simple change to what they are called would be enough to get this through as MA15+ ? |
...Or a 15 second clip at the start of the game that clarifies - hey look, they died and came back to life, they aren't living infected humans! I understand that context is important, but at the end of the day, whether you call them 'infected' humans, zombies or freaking munchkins, there is still the same level of gore, same 'killing' etc. why is that distinction so dire, why does it carry so much weight that it's the difference between banning a game or giving it an MA 15+?
| Cyph wrote: | | You know, maybe I won't stay here after I get my Italian citizenship... This country is worse than China. |
Sigh. No. just....no. If the worst this country has to complain about is not playing a video game, i think we are doing pretty damn good. In fact the pettiness of our complaints shows that were are damn lucky - its not like we have any real problems, so we just bitch about media...
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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"Karai Pantsu
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Sounds like their main problem is that the enemies are 'infected humans' rather than undead critters... I wonder if a simple change to what they are called would be enough to get this through as MA15+ ?"
That's not at all far fetched, mate. The CB are known for their anally retentive decisions. I bet if they were straight out called Zombies instead of infected humans, it would not have been banned.
Really goes to show how far they're going in order to justify their jobs.
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Wait, Dead Rising can get through with all those kill animations but L4D2 can't?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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Sometimes I think I'm good at trolling, but then I read some posts in here, and realise I need to do so much better.
| Cyph wrote: | | You know, maybe I won't stay here after I get my Italian citizenship... This country is worse than China. |
I...don't know what to say to this...
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| Sinthesys wrote: | | Sigh. No. just....no. If the worst this country has to complain about is not playing a video game, i think we are doing pretty damn good. In fact the pettiness of our complaints shows that were are damn lucky - its not like we have any real problems, so we just bitch about media... |
I wanna +1 this so bad, but I haven't made 25 posts  , so here's +1
The game classification system in Australia sux, we all know that. But get a grip, don't flame the place as a bad place to live.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| daft667 wrote: | I love how the report gives a good tip on how to clear multiple enemies in one go.
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Straight from the OFLC: PROTIP - "The use of melee weapons can wipe out several infected in one blow."
These guys should do the game guide 
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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The OFLC gives us another reason to import.
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