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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject: Risen banned in Aus Reply with quote

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PALGN News: Refused classification due to sexual activity and drug use.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is becoming old news now. More games are being banned in Australia then celebrities getting arrested on drug charges nowadays.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:09 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is becoming old news now. More games are being banned in Australia then celebrities getting arrested on drug charges nowadays.


Lets not get used to it k? It hasn't been ok every other time and its definitely still not ok now.
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None of what's described sounds any worse than The Witcher (Enhanced or not). In fact the Witcher has full nudity and brief sex scenes. I'm pretty sure there's drugs in there too.

I guess it's the "incentivised" drugs that kill it. Mind you Fallout got by with a fake name, I don't see why this didn't. Come to think of it Fallout is also full of swearing and allows the character to get 'intimate' (for cash too I think!).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you're talking about Fallout 3, there was nothing intimate about transactions with ladies of the night.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wierd, nothing there sounds outside the bounds of an MA rating, if it were me I'd go for an appeal on that decision as the appeals board is completely seperate to the classification board.
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I think he is referencing Stimpaks in Fallout 3. These can be bought, sold and used by players. I'm pretty sure you can get addicted to them like everything else if you have too much. Therefore what is the difference in Fallout 3 and this???

GTA 4 had whores and all the rest. As long as the action wasn't on screen where is the reason for ban? Even Sims allows you to have lengthy dialogue to seduce all sorts of people. How is this different?

The OFLC needs to learn their place, this may stop at the shelves but it won't stop at the borders. The only thing they stop is the developer missing out on their share.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said this before, but don't hate the OFLC for banning games that don't fit under the MA rating. Blame the fact that there is no R rating.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only reasoning could be the drug use, if it's extensive and doesn't show any negative affects then the OFLC will jump on it, swearing and that level of sexual content wouldn't get a game banned here.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:33 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think he is referencing Stimpaks in Fallout 3. These can be bought, sold and used by players. I'm pretty sure you can get addicted to them like everything else if you have too much. Therefore what is the difference in Fallout 3 and this???

It wasn't Fallout 3's Stimpacks (which are addiction-free btw) that got it banned, it was the Morphine syringes. They just renamed them to Med-X and got an MA15+ rating.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:06 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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The fable games also allow you to conduct transactions with streetwalkers, in much the same fashion as is described in this article. (Although not so much dialogue occurs beforehand).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:07 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've said this before, but don't hate the OFLC for banning games that don't fit under the MA rating. Blame the fact that there is no R rating.


Agree. It is not the CB's fault for banning the game. It all comes down to Ratkinson and his total disrespect for adult gamers.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I don't get is how they can refuse classification to something that hasn't even finished development yet. Who knows what the final product will have in it, jumping the gun a bit I say.
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Which is why I said they should appeal, the extent of the classification board assessing a project is based off a fact sheet of any explicit material and watching video of the item. The appeals board actually play/watch/read the article in question before passing judgement.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah k. I knew that's how the initial classification process was performed, didn't know of the role of the appeals board.

Regardless, I can imagine a bunch of old hacks at the OFLC sitting down shaking their head angrily about the scourge of video games, Elvis and The Beatles.

Ban the game all they like, I'll get the game regardless what they think of it (if I want the game that is). Idiots.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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wow, if those reasoning's are correct, what the hell?

i guess it's a good thing this is a PC game...
EDIT: ah my bad, didn't realise it was X360 too. well that sucks.)
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So if they dont modify the game for a MA rating I guess Adult aussie gamers are forced to import and risk the chance of customse seizing the items or Pirate...

I agree with the point above, we cant blame & flame the OFLC for banning a game for not fitting in the MA rating but seriouslt why the hell cant we have the R rating already...

Its getting old... Maybe we should just give in, trade in all our stuff and get a wii and games and try and stomach 90% of the kiddie crap thats on their and try and sleep at night knowing they've filtered our internets and try to be oblivious too the AWESOME games we are being denied of.
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I agree with the point above, we cant blame & flame the OFLC for banning a game for not fitting in the MA rating but seriouslt why the hell cant we have the R rating already...


But the thing is, they are very inconsistent.Time and time again they have refused classification of one game but allowed another game that does all the same things.
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Deathfiend wrote:
I agree with the point above, we cant blame & flame the OFLC for banning a game for not fitting in the MA rating but seriouslt why the hell cant we have the R rating already...


But the thing is, they are very inconsistent.Time and time again they have refused classification of one game but allowed another game that does all the same things.


I wonder if a company's status/size/influence has any affect on the OFLC? I can't see how Risen would be any worse than GTA/The Witcher/Mass Effect/Fallout or any game with drug/sex references.
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^You would really hope not, as long as you have enough money to apply, then it shouldn't matter how big a company you are.

Anther mind boggling decision.
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Some info for you guys,

Gothic series was great but at the time of G3 the publisher and dev broke apart , and made Risen so it a fairly new company i think.

And yes i agree with everything said in the comments.

Gta has whores

Fable has whores

Witcher has whores , nudity and more

Fallout 3 has Drugs , drug effects and more

Bioshock has you injecting yourself with a bottle and a huge needle into your wrist to benefit yourself

And the previous title for risen people was GOTHIC 2/3 that had Swampweed and whores

Stupid idiots at the OFLC just wont learn, inconsistency is the word.

Not putting a R rating hurts the economy , because more pirates and importers.
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inigel wrote:
This is becoming old news now. More games are being banned in Australia then celebrities getting arrested on drug charges nowadays.


Lets not get used to it k? It hasn't been ok every other time and its definitely still not ok now.


Agreed, just because it happens alot, doesn't make it OK. Every time they do this we must voice the fact that we have nothing but the upmost contempt for the lawmakers in this country.

Every time this happens, the Government is getting away with censorship, dismissing it as 'old news' is the worst thing we can do. A major problem in this country is that too many Australians are apathetic on what goes on which ends up with elected officials never really answering to the public and getting away with repressive censorship.

Problem is that the loudest Australians are the ones that love censorship... Baby Boomers icon_mad.gif
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I guess it's the "incentivised" drugs that kill it. Mind you Fallout got by with a fake name, I don't see why this didn't. Come to think of it Fallout is also full of swearing and allows the character to get 'intimate' (for cash too I think!)


Then there are games like Velvet Assassin, where you use morphine, and have an enhanced action mode named 'morphine mode'. And games like fahrenheit with full sex scenes. I think the key is the OFLC doesn't look at games they think no one will play
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No one new about Risen either , i knew about it but thats cose im a gothic fan

Im glad no one is supporting this in thread, unlike that guy on Whirlpool lol
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Yeah that guy in Whirlpool really is an ass.

Anyway. I still think we're targeting the wrong thing here. Why was this rated above MA+ anyway? Drug use and sexual activity. Right. Can you imagine if every film with those two things got R18+? I don't think we'd have a great deal of things to watch.

I'm not against the introduction of an R18+ rating for video games, I think it should happen, I just think it shouldn't be the focus of our campaign either. It's a band-aid solution. Sure, you get access to all the games you want.. but at the end of the day, mainstream titles are being shoved into a strictly adults only category. That's really good for the growth of the medium here.
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