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| Sinthesys wrote: | Oh no you di-n't.
Its about saving face at this point in time. If China pulled out of Tibet, it would show weakness. There are over 50 different ethnic subgroups in China, and giving any one of them an inch will result in all of them taking a mile. They have enough problems with Mongolians over here as it is... |
True. I was complaning about the injustice over in Tibet too, but my dad told me the exact thing you said. If China relented, there would be mass chaos. So until a new and more educated generation arises, China will need to be ruled with an iron hand.
Sure, it's not pretty, but there's hardly any other options.
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We're not talking about a sub-ethnic community here, we're talking about a sovereign nation that up until the 1950's had it's own rule of law and right to self-govern. That is until a socialist Chinese government saw fit to not only take that nation, but then continue to oppress it well into the 21st century.
This isn't strictly a cultural thing as you guys seem to think but it's one of foreign policy and something that should've never had been allowed to occur. The fact of the matter is that this is something that took place very simply because of how Communist policy works universally and because the Chinese government refused to ratify Tibet's independence they were legally able to take the nation through military force.
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| NeoSanity wrote: | We're not talking about a sub-ethnic community here, we're talking about a sovereign nation that up until the 1950's had it's own rule of law and right to self-govern. That is until a socialist Chinese government saw fit to not only take that nation, but then continue to oppress it well into the 21st century.
This isn't strictly a cultural thing as you guys seem to think but it's one of foreign policy and something that should've never had been allowed to occur. The fact of the matter is that this is something that took place very simply because of how Communist policy works universally and because the Chinese government refused to ratify Tibet's independence they were legally able to take the nation through military force. |
Yes, but despite this, the government has drilled into the minds of the billion people living in China that Tibet was rightfully owned by them.
It definitely shouldn't have be allowed to occur, but it has, and now too many Chinese are believing China's rights. As a result, if China allowed Tibet to break away, it will fall apart because this propaganda that they believed the whole time will have failed them. The majority of people in China are uneducated people, mostly farmers and peasants. They are likely never to have heard anything about international treaties or anything, so they will begin to doubt China and there would be massive riots and uprisings.
It's not a matter of what should have happened, it's a matter of how to get out of it. And the way out is by educating a new generation of people and gradually moving away from the damage Communism has caused towards democracy.
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| 3mt wrote: | | And the way out is by educating a new generation of people and gradually moving away from the damage Communism has caused towards democracy. |
How would you educate the people? (assuming you mean the Chinese here) the current rule certainly wouldn't allow it and if you can't educate the people how do you expect to gradually move away from Communism through education?
As pessimistic as it sounds, the change from Communism (if it ever happens) would have to be rapid and forceful, the Communist rule would stamp out any gradual changes before they can escalate to anything more than a molehill.
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| 3mt wrote: | | NeoSanity wrote: | We're not talking about a sub-ethnic community here, we're talking about a sovereign nation that up until the 1950's had it's own rule of law and right to self-govern. That is until a socialist Chinese government saw fit to not only take that nation, but then continue to oppress it well into the 21st century.
This isn't strictly a cultural thing as you guys seem to think but it's one of foreign policy and something that should've never had been allowed to occur. The fact of the matter is that this is something that took place very simply because of how Communist policy works universally and because the Chinese government refused to ratify Tibet's independence they were legally able to take the nation through military force. |
Yes, but despite this, the government has drilled into the minds of the billion people living in China that Tibet was rightfully owned by them.
It definitely shouldn't have be allowed to occur, but it has, and now too many Chinese are believing China's rights. As a result, if China allowed Tibet to break away, it will fall apart because this propaganda that they believed the whole time will have failed them. The majority of people in China are uneducated people, mostly farmers and peasants. They are likely never to have heard anything about international treaties or anything, so they will begin to doubt China and there would be massive riots and uprisings. |
Sorry but I think you've put a bit too much faith into China's iron curtain, one of the biggest issues with the USSR towards the end of it's existence was very much the fall of this said iron curtain. Communications in the last twenty years has very much diminished this iron curtain.
Even with China's best intent to try and curtail that information, more and more citizens are gaining access not only to the internet but unfilted sections of the internet. A market has very much developed online to get around the iron curtain of China and as more and more of the population gain access to the internet the more these people can and will get around them.
One of the key elements post World War II was the De-Nazifation of Germany which Europe undertook, this involved counter-propaganda by the allies and what was discovered was that the propaganda had a very limited effect on the German people and even on children. The fall of the USSR and East Germany are another two examples of the largely ineffectual implementation of propaganda, even overtly strong Socio-Stalinist propaganda had a limited effect simply because cynicism grows behind the state media as well as many media outlets by the greater public.
Suffice to say the De-Nazifation of Germany as a project proved to be largely successful on each side of the then boarder with the project wrapped up relatively quickly (Before the end of the first Nuremberg trials).
What we also have to remember here is that China falls into a totally different category of Communism than what we've historically seen, this is a nation that has not only moved towards free market enterprise but also citizen driven media (The internet). Both of these are elements which slap in the face of the traditional Marxist dogma and even goes beyond the largely relaxed transitional policies of Leninism to the point where Chinese socialism is labeled Maoism which does have a very different policy when it comes towards propaganda takes a very different policy to traditional Socialist implementations.
All traditional Marxist-Socialism have very traditional and often extreme propaganda policies (As seen in Stalinist North Korea), but Maoism again has taken a very different policy, while the propaganda is there it's far more subdue, focusing not on promoting policy but rather preventing political damning and political sensitive information from getting out, something even in a relaxed propaganda state have been largely ineffectual due to the non-traditional mediums used (The Internet) but also the overt globalization China has had to work through (Tourism, International Business) has resulted in a lot of sensitive information damning to the Chinese government being leaked into the public and dispute Chinese efforts this cannot be stopped (Unless they you know, adopt Stalinist policy and basically screw the pooch of economic sustainable industrialization).
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Once upon a time there was a box of Sultana Bran in the cupboard. My housemate owned it, but both him and I ate it.
Then I bought a box. There were two in the cupboard.
Box 1 remained open and slowly ate at for quite some time. Box 2 remained unopened.
Weekend gone, while housemate was away, I finished the dregs of Box 1. I decided to open Box 2, the box I had bought.
Tonight I go to delight myself with a bowl of delicious Sultana Bran, only to find the box gone, with no trace of a new location.
I really want some Sultana Bran, and if my housemate has moronically stashed it due to some petty, and not to mention wrong, belief that I'm eating cereal he bought, I'm going to flip.
Cos I really, really like Sultana Bran.
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The stupid, broken, poor excuse for a chair here at work has given me backpains ... The boss uses his selective hearing powers any time I mention this ... Spoke with Donna (you don't know who Donna is?!?!?! She's AWESOME!) and she said just buy a new chair and we'll get the money sent back to us ... So wifey, kids and I go chair shopping - it's exactly what I was wanting to do on the weekend with the family *please note sarcasm* ... So I'm testing chairs, having a sit here and there ... Find the perfect chair!!! ... Lug the heavy bastard to work and put it together in my lunchbreak - THE hardest thing I've ever had to build, piece of sh!t ... anyways, so I'm thinking "Hell yeah I can't wait to sit in this monster!!!" ... Realised it didn't fit in between the desk, I eyeroll but then just lift the chair over the desk and plop it down ... I sit down waiting for soft, comfy excellence ... BAH-BOW! ... The chair was nothing like the one in the store *cries* it's hard and horrible and stiff ... *cries more*
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^This could be some kind of scam. Or possibly scamola!
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Fight Night Round 4's online MP. The game is filled with quitters who leave the match just when you're about to win. It sucks all the enjoyment out of what is otherwise a pretty fun game. They're not even punished by receiving a loss for doing that. It has happened about 6 times today, not gonna bother playing this anymore, back to Civic you go.
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| pixelatedgames wrote: | | *cries* it's hard and horrible and stiff ... *cries more* |
That's what she said
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ew, that is horrible *yack*
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| Great Scott wrote: | | pixelatedgames wrote: | | *cries* it's hard and horrible and stiff ... *cries more* |
That's what she said |
Best first post ever, mang.
Welcome to the forums.
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Made doubly awesome by who he was saying it to.
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It can't be a coincidence, he has to have been lurking for awhile
Also check out his name, Great Scott, epic. I read it before I read the post, it added to it "Great Scott, That's what she said"
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Today?
Nintendo Australia
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^Just curious..., what for? tell me!!!
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| Puddingfork wrote: | It can't be a coincidence, he has to have been lurking for awhile
Also check out his name, Great Scott, epic. I read it before I read the post, it added to it "Great Scott, That's what she said" |
uhh I think you kind of missed the point of the joke?
Scott as in Michael Scott as in the guy from tv series The Office who is known for his love of saying "thats what she said, " ...or he said.
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| Zhou wrote: | | Puddingfork wrote: | It can't be a coincidence, he has to have been lurking for awhile
Also check out his name, Great Scott, epic. I read it before I read the post, it added to it "Great Scott, That's what she said" |
uhh I think you kind of missed the point of the joke?
Scott as in Michael Scott as in the guy from tv series The Office who is known for his love of saying "thats what she said, " ...or he said. |
Oh well it's all good, I may look like an idiot but at least I got triple the jollies (one from my misinterpret, one from your correct interpretation and one from laughing at myself).
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| pixelatedgames wrote: | | The stupid, broken, poor excuse for a chair here at work has given me backpains ... The boss uses his selective hearing powers any time I mention this ... Spoke with Donna (you don't know who Donna is?!?!?! She's AWESOME!) and she said just buy a new chair and we'll get the money sent back to us ... So wifey, kids and I go chair shopping - it's exactly what I was wanting to do on the weekend with the family *please note sarcasm* ... So I'm testing chairs, having a sit here and there ... Find the perfect chair!!! ... Lug the heavy bastard to work and put it together in my lunchbreak - THE hardest thing I've ever had to build, piece of sh!t ... anyways, so I'm thinking "Hell yeah I can't wait to sit in this monster!!!" ... Realised it didn't fit in between the desk, I eyeroll but then just lift the chair over the desk and plop it down ... I sit down waiting for soft, comfy excellence ... BAH-BOW! ... The chair was nothing like the one in the store *cries* it's hard and horrible and stiff ... *cries more* |
I thought you were going to say that you got to work the next day and your boss had switched chairs with you and was insisting that the chair was his.
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Less angering, more saddening but I've been continually starting to miss the old 360 UI...
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And btw, whoever I stole the image off, nice game 
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That reminds me, my 360 wouldn't recognise my iPod Touch, I don't really mind, but does anyone know why?
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| Sambo110 wrote: | | That reminds me, my 360 wouldn't recognise my iPod Touch, I don't really mind, but does anyone know why? |
iPhone and iPod touch are different to a regular iPod, as such, they require a newer driver to tell device they are interacting with how to access files.
As such, a lot of older ipod docks, and hardware such as the Xbox 360 which have not been updated with newer drivers, will not recognise the ipod.
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We have a winner!
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Just checked one of my favorite eBay seller's stores whom I purchase from on a regular basis to find no results... usually they have over 200 items.
Freaking out.
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