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The Genius
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This is unprofessional and BS from Activision.
The PS3 has sold 22 million units with games like COD4 selling 4 million copies and over 2 million CODWAW has sold on thje PS3 alone.
And so they are considering abandoning a console with 22 million gamers?
Yeah right!
I hope Sony don't get intimidated by this bully.
Activision says the PS3 is expensive? lol!
What about Activision's music games? GH bundles cost way over the standard price of a game. Their upcoming DJ Hero game will be twice more the the RRP of a game.
Activision publish for Blizzard. Big deal, as if their games are on consoles.
There are so many FPSs on the market, they stop making games for PS3 owners get something else. They stop making Tony Hawk games for PS3, then EA's Skate will have no competition on the PS3.
Activision need Sony more than Sony need them.
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I think someone has it in for Activision, as they're getting a hell of a lot of pretty damning "rumours" thrown around about them. Disgruntled employee?
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| ObsoletE wrote: | | if they're breaking even, or just under the profit line with PS3 sales, then it makes sense to "announce" something like this, as it's putting pressure on Sony to drop the price of the PS3 in a very public manner. |
Remember that development costs, even for ports, are huge these days, and bad ports don't sell well.
Publishers are essentially just investors; they put money into a bunch of games and hope that 1 or 2 make it big and pay off the others.
The comments here would suggest that relative to the 360 and Wii, Sony could be pushing the PS3 much further than they are. PS3 architecture is damn hard to develop for (1 core + 8 SPUs is a pretty unique programming paradigm), so ports are pretty tough, and even ground-up/exclusive games are hard (some devs do have a mastery of it, eg games like Drake's Fortune, but they are a minority).
At the end of the day, I suspect that Activision has drawn the wrong conclusions from the right information - yes, the PS3 is doing poorly, but it's not a matter of increasing sales, so much as ensuring much better developer support and a more usable platform. I know that the 360 is also unconventional (don't know much about the Wii), but it's very well supported (even to amateurs via Creator's Club), and much more akin to a PC.
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It'd be nice if this stunt did something to lower the price of the PS3. That's really the only thing stopping me from getting one, so if Activision's little tantrum might make that happen then that's cool.
| The Genius wrote: | | What about Activision's music games? GH bundles cost way over the standard price of a game. Their upcoming DJ Hero game will be twice more the the RRP of a game. |
I think logic would dictate that a game+controller would be more expensive than the game on it's own.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Fine, this overconfident moron can drop support for the PS3. He can then also explain to his shareholders where 20% of the companies revenue has suddenly disappeared to.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Activision games on the PS3 for those wondering
Call of Duty
Guitar Hero
Prototype
Quantm of solace
Spiderman
Tony Hawk
Transformers
Wolverine origins
Quake Wars
I don't see why the head of Activision would bother to come out and say "Hey, we're not doing well on the PS3" if they were doing well on the PS3, it just seems kind of pointless. The amount of people that read online gaming blogs etc compared to how much they'd need to sell to turn it around wouldn't be that great so it's not like they're going to convince more people to buy say the next Call of Duty then people that would have bought it in the first place.
It's a comment aimed at the heads of Sony, not us.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:11 am Post subject: |
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activision is really on a roll these days, let's see if they can piss off everyone in the gaming world before the end of the year, because they are giving it a red hot go...
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| Quote: | This is unprofessional and BS from Activision.
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No it would be unprofessional of Activison to continue to support a console that they are losing money on to please a bunch of irritable fanboys.
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The PS3 has sold 22 million units with games like COD4 selling 4 million copies and over 2 million CODWAW has sold on thje PS3 alone. |
Unless you can show me the development costs of making the game for the PS3 compared to there profit they're making off of them those figures mean nothing.
We don't have the information that Activision have, I highly doubt they're just saying this for shits and giggles. And no matter what you think of there publishing methods they didn't get to be one of the largest game publishers on the planet by being stupid.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| Benza wrote: |
No it would be unprofessional of Activison to continue to support a console that they are losing money on to please a bunch of irritable fanboys.. |
Irritable fanboys...Oh Please. Whats fanboy about wanting games on the PS3?
As for Activision losing money on making games for PS3, come on. Why do you think most games go multi plat now, its so the companies make more money. If they did stop making games for PS3, they would be losing alot of the gaming market.
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Most 3rd party's aren't making money from the Wii either despite the sales.
Do I believe Sony need to look at measures to reduce their cost of sale and in turn reducing teh price of a PS3? By all means. Blu ray players are half the price meaning the added advantage is disappearing. Bundling software can only make your product attractive for so long. Sony don't have deep pockets like MS.
Activision aren't the only ones analyst what them too as well.
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| ANDYBALLINA wrote: | | Benza wrote: |
No it would be unprofessional of Activison to continue to support a console that they are losing money on to please a bunch of irritable fanboys.. |
Irritable fanboys...Oh Please. Whats fanboy about wanting games on the PS3?
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Theres nothing fanboyish about wanting games for your console, thats perfectly natural.
There is however something fanboyish about calling for the head of a man when he says his company is thinking about not supporting the PS3 like say
| Quote: | Have a good look at Kotich's face.
Now imagine it swinging from your clothesline, filled with candy, baseball bat at the ready position. All he's good for. |
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As for Activision losing money on making games for PS3, come on. Why do you think most games go multi plat now, its so the companies make more money. If they did stop making games for PS3, they would be losing alot of the gaming market. |
Again, we don't know this, all we have is the word of the head of the company saying "We're not making money on the PS3"
And honestly what reason does he have to lie, if they were making money on the PS3 they would have nothing to gain from stoping development of PS3 games. They obviously do have something to gain from it or else they wouldn't be considering it. I highly doubt he woke up in morning and decided "You know what, fuck the PS3 I want to piss off there fans"
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Is Activision becoming the new EA.
Stupid comment,in the same league as Reggies about second hand games a few weeks back.
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Most games that have an online component have an on going cost. I think there was something like 3 times as many players on Live then PSN for COD4. Can see where they are coming from. Big name titles like COD don't need to be multi-platform. The players will switch if it is exclusive and it will boost their bottom $. I can imagine that having to produce a game on two different next-gen platforms can hamper development and the budget, and one of the system is very similar to the PC. Especially when as somebody said, none of these games will appeal to a large percentage of installer base for the PS3 in Japan. It's like like Capcom games which are popular all over.
It really could be a GOOD thing. Better quality games overall.
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so if they pull their support this gen then sony has a really appealing console next gen that sells really well sony could turn their back on activision?
i highly doubt it would be in the best interest of a company to limit itself. what about how much money they made on the ps2? how much money did the original xbox make them in comparison?
@Benza maybe they aren't fanboy calls and they are genuinely annoyed some games wont appear on the console they own...?
ps. fuck the whole fan boy calls would you parrots give it a rest...
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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As a proud supporter of the least popular console during the last 3 iterations (Saturn, Dreamcast and Gamecube) I have had my console silently drift into obscurity as developer after developer realised that I was not a big enough market to support development. Its happened before, just never to a Sony console. 'Don't turn your back on Sony!' I hear you cry, what happens when NEXT generation they release the PS4 they might not take you back! Where's the civility?" HA HA HA!
At least Activision has offered a warning, and as if SONY are going to come out and say: "Yeah, well you know we really ARE in the sh*tter" for them it's all "Were pleased with ongoing growth of our platform and after a strong showing..." At least Activision are calling a spade a spade before the grave is dug. Maybe SONY needs a kick in the pants, maybe not, but at least they've been warned.
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@Benza maybe they aren't fanboy calls and they are genuinely annoyed some games wont appear on the console they own...?
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Being genuinly upset is a whole world of diffrent to immediatly questioning the dude and calling him a liar or saying he's useless.
Hell, I’d really like to play uncharted or Infamous but I’m not going to call for the heads of the people not releasing it on 360. There have always been exclusive games on consoles, hell I owned a gamecube last gen. You’re never going to be able to play all the games you want in a generation without buying all the consoles.
What it comes down to is
If they’re not making money selling games on the PS3, then why should they keep selling the games for it?
They’re a business, they have no reason to keep supporting something that isn’t making them money.
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I remember being a N64 (only one console man back then) owner and getting all angry about companies abanding it, I think EA (???) decided to not make any sports games or something for it? Too long ago...but it cut me deep.
Actually, my favourite console of each generation normally loses! N64, Dreamcast and Gamecube were my fave consoles during the lifecycles and they all died horrible deaths.
Anyway, this is all very storm in a teacup, I can't see Activision pulling the pin. I think almost all 3rd party devs would like to see Sony cut the price of the PS3 to maximise their developments of games.
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| Benza wrote: | | Hell, I’d really like to play uncharted or Infamous but I’m not going to call for the heads of the people not releasing it on 360. There have always been exclusive games on consoles, hell I owned a gamecube last gen. You’re never going to be able to play all the games you want in a generation without buying all the consoles.. |
But Uncharted and Infamous have always been exclusive to PS3, you know that, where as the COD series has been Multi Plat since COD3, thats the difference Benza. So why should the PS3 owners miss on the biggest selling FPS multi plat series?
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| ANDYBALLINA wrote: |
But Uncharted and Infamous have always been exclusive to PS3, you know that, where as the COD series has been Multi Plat since COD3, thats the difference Benza. |
They haven't said that Modern warfare 2 or whatever won't be on PS3, just looking at stopping supporting it in the future. There is no indication that any allready anounced multi platform games are going to stop being on the PS3, only that future games might. If from the moment CoD 5 is anounced it's a 360/PC exclusive then you are missing out on as much as I'm missing out not being able to play Infamous etc
| Quote: | | So why should the PS3 owners miss on the biggest selling FPS multi plat series? |
Because you don't have the console it's being released on?
Seriously just because you own a console doesn't give you any rights to have any game you want released on it. Shit happens.
Square decided that Nintendo wasn't working out for them and stoped making Final Fantasy games for the 64 and moved to the Sony, Capcom decided that despite porting all there 'gamecube exclusive' games (RE 4, Viewtifull Joe) to the PS2 the gamecube owners wouldn't get to play the PS2 games like Devil May Cry.
They're not activley going out and trying to deny you what you seem to think is your god given right to play there games, they're making a buisness decision because games released on a certain console is according to them a no longer financially sound investment.
You bought into the console wars and backed the wrong horse, we've all done it. Suck it up and move on.
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It's hopefully just a warning shot. We all know the main reason (well in this country anyway) why people now are still not buying as many consoles as Sony would like......
Price.....sell the ps3 for $449 and I bet a lot more would move.
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| Benza wrote: | | You bought into the console wars and backed the wrong horse, we've all done it. Suck it up and move on. |
LOL, when are you 360 fanboys going to get off your high horse. How is owning a PS3 backing the wrong horse? I
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| ANDYBALLINA wrote: | | Benza wrote: | | You bought into the console wars and backed the wrong horse, we've all done it. Suck it up and move on. |
LOL, when are you 360 fanboys going to get off your high horse. How is owning a PS3 backing the wrong horse? I |
Christ you are annoying.
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If it's the console that's most likely to finish in last place it's considered "backing the wrong horse". I did it with the Gamecube (even though it was a ******** machine to own), it would appear that the PS3 is going to end up that way this time around. Although Sony haven't technically lost out considering they got Blu Ray out in the market which was a good move on their part.
Besides, like everyone has said this is ONLY a warning, they haven't shut up shop on them yet. So there's a good chance it won't happen, hell it could just be a scare tactic.
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Dude more people own 360's, especially in the Western Market. Also its been openly established that PS3's are much harder to develop for. Also 360's are made by MS who are American whose main market is the US. Activision publish many games popular to the Western Market like COD, GH etc, so more Americans are likely to own a 360 than PS3.
We are nothing in terms of the global gaming market. Im assuming Activision are basing this off the US numbers?
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