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| E3 2009: Motion control will extend 360's life until 2015? by Adam |  | | 360 News: Because waving around your arms is the secret to immortality. | | [View Article] |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:00 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to go with "no, no that's not what will happen".
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Both sony and microsoft want this cycle to last ages. I don't think there will be a new console for a while.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Well, with the awesome graphics same games have (Killzone 2, Forza 3 etc) a new console isn't as important as it was the last gen.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:49 am Post subject: |
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^+1.
Games look fine, I'm perfectly happy to save another $500 which would have been spent on hardware (which, btw, MS/Sony make a loss on). Also gives developers more time to get used to programming for the console, which means better quality games (well, it should mean that).
Personally, I think Natal will be a big win for MS - if not on the xbox, then in terms of the next-generation UIs they will create with it. Even if you hate MS, you have to acknowledge that we've been heading this way for some time now, and they're pushing the envelope further.
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This seems reasonable, no need to release new consoles for a while yet. The new casual market isn't the fussed about graphics etc so I can see the 360 sticking around for a while yet.
| PALGN wrote: | | one of our key development team members if from |
also, small typo, probably should read 'is from' yeah?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:13 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Nic, I have fixed the article.
Although by this point, I'm quite ready to admit I have lost complete fontrol of my caculty of spelling.
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no thanks
Current gen is ok for afew more years but then we are going to need a stronger console, i mean even AA is low in current consoles.
And i think this is a marketing stunt, i mean microsoft dont release any details on next gen consoles, yet they release this crap i think it's just for people to say to them selves ( oh, no new consoles for another 6 years i should buy one its a good investment *tard* )
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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^^ exactly, I think they will announce a new console by TGS or latest next year e3
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| Lord Haart wrote: | | Even if you hate MS, you have to acknowledge that we've been heading this way for some time now, and they're pushing the envelope further. |
Heading this way for some time? I loved my 360 since launch but I really disagree.
MS have never known and probably still don't know where they are heading.
As I've said before, blatant copies (and almost failures in terms of sales) with Scene It and Lips, totally went against their marketing talk of the 360 being a console for hardcore gamers.
They laughed at the Wii (and PS3 Sixaxis), saying that they had motion joypads way back and that wasn't where gaming was going. Yet now they say that the future is motion sensing and all this Natal stuff?
Come on... the technology was impressive, most definitely, but this will be nothing more than a small niche section of their games. The stage demo looked like a cross between Wii Fit and PS2's Eye Toy games, which is absolutely nothing to get excited about and the commercial mock-ups weren't exactly interesting either.
And the whole Milo demo thing? Well, anyone who doesn't believe this was CG (note the long loading pause when the demo loaded in the real graphics for the woman's reflection...) and just a new version of the Dreamcast game SeaMan is going to be waiting 5-10 years to be disappointed.
Give me Gears of War, Halo, Fable and Forza any day over any of that.
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| ArcherGrave wrote: | | Current gen is ok for afew more years but then we are going to need a stronger console, i mean even AA is low in current consoles. |
There is a limit as to how much power you can fit in such a small unit. My experience from people's comments so far are that the 360 and PS3 are too large and/or noisey. Yes with advances in technology processing unit get more efficent but not so much in the graphics space. NVIDIA which is currently leading the arms race has incredibly hot running chips while AMD's aren't that far behind.
Personally I believe the current consoles are at a sweet spot. A couple of further revisions on the 360 to make chips smaller, remove all the current manufacturing faults, perhaps with more flash memory; roughly 8 GB, enough to hold games that are stored on the hard drive so to remove that bottleneck of the HDD.
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Just look at the Mac Mini, tech can be as small as you need it to be.
I know it's not that powerful inside but a decent example.
I've recently built a gaming and media centre PC in a cool horizontal type case, the default fans were noisy-ish but after installing 2 top quality case fans and a top quality CPU heatsink and fan the case now runs 10 degrees cooler and is dead silent.
It can be done.
But I am also happy with the current technology and will be happy with it for a few more years for sure.
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I don't think it will be Natal which keeps the 360 alive. More like Sony not doing anything either and as the Wii has proven, you don't need powerful hardware to sell loads and crush your competitors.
Concentrate on software, Microsoft. Not tat like Natal.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Interesting thought, but I know my 360 won't last until 2015!
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I think they could actually be close on their predictions. Games on PC's have come no where near using the full resources available on some machines. And keep in mind, XBOX is a dedicated purpose built machine without the over heads of a pc in terms of resource use.
Perhaps 2015 is a big call, but 2012-2013 i think is a relatively safe bet. Until game developers learn how to code outside of current limits of hardware there will be no need for a new console other than novelty hardware like project natal.
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I'm in no rush for new hardware. Games look great where they are. I'm more wowed by gameplay this generation.
Besides no developer is going to want to make games for the new consoles, it's costly enough to make current gen games let alone games like Crysis (which is essentially what a next gen would look like I guess).
I don't think this natal thing is the reason for pushing back new consoles.
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I'm on the "games look fine" bandwagon. I remember back when things like 3D acceleration starting coming out, every new game was omg-jaw-dropping in its amazing leap forward in technology. But nowadays it's more about pointing out what's wrong with graphics than what is right, which shows we've reached a point where we are 'used to' pretty graphics, and improvements aren't taking the same leaps and bounds as before. You can only have so many pores and scars visible on a face...
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Considering my brother and I have just had a heated discussion on this very topic, I'm somewhat reluctant to jump into the fray. However, I will. My two cents, read the small print. It may extend the console's life until 2015, but they never mentioned that they won't be releasing a successor before that.
Furthermore, the next generation of games are showing signs of enhanced graphics and use of new features, and with the PC game market slowing down as far as graphical advancement, I believe the gap between the two will decrease. That all said I'll be surprised if there isn't a successor to the 360 on the market by 2011.
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Games today look fine, but games have always looked fine it doesn’t mean they can’t be improved. No one sat around when the Snes came out thinking
“These games look shit we need a new console for better looking games”
I mean more processing power doesn’t necessarily have to mean higher poly counts, higher textures etc. The thing that impressed me most between the leap from Gamecube/PS2 etc to 360/PS3 wasn’t so much the improve graphics but the improved scale of games. The massive crowds and interactivity of the world of Assassins Creed, the sheer number of zombies in Dead Rising, the fluidity of the animation in uncharted. The new processing power allowed developers to make games that just wouldn’t have in anyway been possible last gen.
I don’t care so much about getting an upgrade with graphics, but I would love to see a new console more for the new power giving developers the opportunity to make games that they just couldn’t make this gen.
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| Benza wrote: | | Games today look fine, but games have always looked fine it doesn’t mean they can’t be improved |
tru, we can't just stop now we are happy with how the graphics are but I don't think the next jump in hardware should be until we have a huge upgrade in technology, that isn't just more powerful but much more compact. No matter what happens with gaming, scientists are going to keep inventing new tech, just choosing when to adopt it so u can make a profit is important.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Motion Control is a life-extending agent 
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yeh it may help extend the 360 to 2015 selling to younger kids like the ps2 is doing with the cheerleader game and the sword game type stuff.
but that doesnt mean there wont be another xbox out before then, probably in the next couple of years.
EDIT: also the next consoles may not offer a huge jump in graphics, but probably more along the lines of how much can be happening at once in a game. more enemies, more civilians, more everything, explosions etc.
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MS sales folk wouldn't like to talk about it or credit it as a factor for the sake of shareholders, but it's called a recession. you don't try to get people to buy a new console during one unless you have to.
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| john_solids wrote: |
EDIT: also the next consoles may not offer a huge jump in graphics, but probably more along the lines of how much can be happening at once in a game. more enemies, more civilians, more everything, explosions etc. |
I think you are spot on there. We are seeing more and more the push towards real physics engines (see recent adds for the new chapter of red faction) These physics engines, as well as the amount of general back ground activity and world sizes will be what pushes the next hardware limits.
There is a certain point at which more poly's becomes a painful and some what redundant project. As for motion sensing, lets face it, we play games to escape reality, i think the whole thing is a novelty that will soon be a dust collector, just like the virtual reality machines of the 80's 90's.
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| BloodApathy wrote: | | As for motion sensing, lets face it, we play games to escape reality, i think the whole thing is a novelty that will soon be a dust collector, just like the virtual reality machines of the 80's 90's. |
And here I was thinking we played games to have fun. Silly me.
After the sucess of the Wii, I'm much more cautious saying something is a stupid gimick that will die (I still think wii controlls for the most part suck but I can't deny its fucking sucessfull)
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