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It really irritates me when systems are structured in such a way that administrative officials such as Mr. Atkinson are able to impose their personal views on the rest of the nation.
While Attorney Generals are not directly elected, they are appointed by elected representatives and should be answerable to the public at large as such. Mr Atkinson is doing out country a disservice by refusing to listen to the voice of the people (not to mention the advice of his peers) and simply mandating that his opinion be law.
Not only this, but as many others have already pointed out, his arguments are fallacious.
A more restrictive rating system will prevent undesirable content getting into the hands of minors and other unfit individuals. A greater onus should be placed on stores to monitor the sale of such products to minors and legislation should be put in place to ensure that they are punished if they do so. Works for alcohol and cigarettes, no reason it can't work here as well.
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Is it in WA Obs that MA18+ and R rated things are behind glass cabinets?
If he is so worried about it, lock the bastards up and you have to show id to buy/rent the games.
I don't think that 'mature adults' like us should have to suffer because a few parents don't pay attention to what they are buying for their kids. I figure if they HAVE to show id for a game, then i might make them think about buying them for their children.
I dunno, it always just seems to be a few irresponsible people that ruins it for the rest of us...
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R rated books are off of general view, so books like American Psycho have to be requested, rather than walking up to a shelf and grabbing a copy, and apparently for games at least, they're also supposed to be behind glass, something i didn't know until recently when someone posted a link stating such, but personally i've never seen MA or R rated things behind the shelf (with the exception of books, as i said).
which while i believe it's a good thing games and DVDs aren't behind glass (it'd be f**king annoying), it also demonstrates the failure in policing retail laws.
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Edit (29/2/2011): This post was too wordy and probably stupid. It is now removed.
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EDIT: Disclaimer, this is not renegadesx the gamer speaking this is renegadesx the civil libertarian activist. Same attitude from the net censorship, alcapop tax and other issues
| Quote: | | In my view, the small sacrifice is worth it |
Head exploding rant in 3... 2... 1....
WHO THE F**K DOES THIS GUY THINK HE IS!!!!!!!
Speaking as a civil libertarian this guy needs to wake up to himself... he has absolutly no right to make a call of what freedoms are worth sacrificing! Who does he think he is? George Bush?
Individual freedom is the most important western value there is and western democracies are supposed to be there to protect it not take it away! Then again Atkinson has never been interested in what the people think!
News flash Atkinson, in democracy society deems what is acceptable and what is not and last time I saw the surveys your views are not consistent with society!
What an evil, draconian, fascist, freedom hating...... *head explodes*
In all seriousness, social conservatives like this guy really make my blood boil, there is no class of people more evil than them in the western world and I really mean that!
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plused mushman for effort but.. uh man I'm not reading that.
Also, kinda preaching to the converted here.
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The nonsensical ramblings of a man too wrapped up in his own point to see how warped he has become.
Trading away freedom and liberty due to some strange terror that children and the mentally ill are salivating in the wings just waiting to get their hands on Silent Hill : Homecoming or Soldier of Fortune.
You're using some alarmist terms in your statement and along side all that all you seem to be able to show as evidence is your 22 year old son and your views.
Trotting out your parental issues from home as a bizarre "fact" to re-enforce your point is petty, how about using some actual scientific studies from reputable sources?
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"'In game violence numbs people to real life violence'?! That's crap! I want him to die!"
Seriously, I think the irony is giving me cancer.
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I wonder if he's seen Hostel or Saw?
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I wonder if he even owns a TV, afterall he seems to be mentally set in the 40's.
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His kids had choose your own adventure "PONG! tm " edition. If you choose to go right turn to page 8. If you choose left go to page 24.
You go right and the pong ball just scrapes past the edge of your PONG! tm bat and goes into the void.
"Noooooo i actually meant to say left, my finger was still on the page!"
"Now now children you don't want me to ban children's books for teaching you that you are morons, you little scamps"
sorry no idea what any of that means
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pong should be rated r.
i mean, no one considers what that block in the middle goes through, being beaten back and forth by those large planks.
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| Quote: | | pong should be rated r. |
'Yeah baby, paddle that ball'
People are overreacting pretty bad over this. This guy isn't warped, twisted or insane, he's just your garden variety ill informed, biased, luddite old man.
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| Nietzsche wrote: | | I agree that it desensitises the act of killing a computer-generated person however in no way does it desensitise real violence. If I see an act of violence it still impacts the same way even if I never played video games |
An excellent point.Now I can handle extreme acts of violence in games yet I don't even like to see people have a punch up in real life.
I have two cousins under the age of 14 who play very violent games and they haven't turn into sadistic people.
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| Sinthesys wrote: | | Quote: | | pong should be rated r. |
'Yeah baby, paddle that ball'
People are overreacting pretty bad over this. This guy isn't warped, twisted or insane, he's just your garden variety ill informed, biased, luddite old man. |
The problem is he is informed. He's read all the studies and shit.
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Edit (28/2/2011): This post was stupid. It is now removed.
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That's the difference between having principles and just being a dick. Sticking to your stated opinion, no matter how ignorant it is, is somewhat noble. Holding back the process of discussion and public consultation like this is just being a dick.
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Not surprised, if Jack Thompson had that kind of power would you see him doing anything different?
Yeah I went there!
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| Spanca wrote: | | South Australia: what the ****? Why do you guys keep voting for this idiot? |
I didn't even know that you could vote for him. I was under the impression that we didn't have a choice and that he has been appointed by a bunch of conservative politicians that are in the majority.
I hear this guy on the radio every couple of days, and trust me when i say that this is not even on the top 10 list of his worst ideas. He wants to give police the ability to search people in the streets with no good reason.
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| SoxyRob wrote: | | Spanca wrote: | | South Australia: what the ****? Why do you guys keep voting for this idiot? |
I didn't even know that you could vote for him. I was under the impression that we didn't have a choice and that he has been appointed by a bunch of conservative politicians that are in the majority.
I hear this guy on the radio every couple of days, and trust me when i say that this is not even on the top 10 list of his worst ideas. He wants to give police the ability to search people in the streets with no good reason. |
I moved to Queensland from South Australia a few years ago and let me tell you, the place is renowned for being a police state. Rann & Atkinson are absolutely obsessed with over-regulation. Just a few weeks ago they banned a certain type of curtain cords because one toddler accidentally hung himself. Yeah one incident and poof, banned. It's not uncommon in SA. The art house flick 9Songs was banned in South Australia just a few years ago because it contains actual sex scenes, yet it remains R18+ in all other states/territories. One complaint and the local classification council reviewed it and said NO! BANNED! Yet they have no issue with underground horror flicks such as Cannibal Holocaust were by various animals were killed on screen just for the sake of entertainment.
Real sex = banned, real violence = OK
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078935/)
As you can see, the governments contradictions and hypocrisy aren't limited to video games. South Australia is a VERY conservative place, it's what Queensland was in the 70s & 80s and has a long way to go before it catches up to the rest of the nation. The old religiously motivated 'violence is fine but sex is evil' mentality is very much seeded in SA culture. It's such a shame that one state can hold back the entire country, though. I'm very glad I got out of the place, Queensland is so much different to SA nowadays. Brisbane is a bustling metropolis while Adelaide remains a dried up backwater run by completely incompetent morons.
The worst part is that South Australians keep voting for the local Labor party and thus keeping Atkinson in power, yet all people do in SA is bitch and whine about how much the government sucks. It really makes you think that Atkinson really is representing his state appropriately because the people are arguably as ignorant and out of touch as he is.
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Real sex on screen has only just recently changed in Australia.
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cannibal holocaust was banned in the entire country for 21 years though, not as good as cannibal the musical however.
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ah, Cannibal the Musical...
such a spedoinkle film.
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| Fetidchimp wrote: | | cannibal holocaust was banned in the entire country for 21 years though, not as good as cannibal the musical however. |
So? It's R18+ everywhere now except in SA.
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