Obama's First Act As President

[mipac]

So Obama is now the President of the US. Already he is making major changes.

[BurnZ]

Obama! Change! Yes we can!

People that have seen the South Park episode will know what I'm on about.
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[ObsoletE]

i'm surprised this got through all those reports of how in love the president and his wife looked during the inaugeration, and after-parties...

oh noes!
he stood on her dress!

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[denial 23]

After briefly reading this i thought it was funny:

Obama goes from 'Xbox to Atari'
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[ObsoletE]

^

[denial 23]

^ Yeh, i would have though 'high tech sabotage' would have been something like activating nuclear missles when you hit the right shift key.
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[heatseeker]

[MIkes]

[The Genius]

September 11 killed the Bush Administration.

I like the next person isn't a fan of Bush, but people need to think deeper.

What else could he have done differently after 9/11? The Americans wanted revenge, so Bush and his Administration found a scapegoat in Saddam Hussein. And most Americans supported the War. The same people who hate Bush now, many of them supported the War.

Had he not attacked another foreign nation after 9/11, the American public would have seen him as failed to avenge 9/11. So basically he was in a no win situation.

Many people don't even know that Bush did more for Africa than any other US President in history, something he was criticised by his own party for being a bit too Socialist. Billions and billions of dollars did Bush give to Africa in aid. He also supported the failed Amnesty Bill that would have allowed for all illegal immigration to be given citizenship.

Bush wasn't an evil man. He was no Hitler, Stalin Pol Pot etc, He was just simply incompetent. Not good enough to be President. And he was badly advised by the likes of Tenet, Rove and Ramsfield.

As a person who likes Obama, I fear the same will happen to him in a couple of years or so. That once Obamamania and the love fest with Obama ends, people will start to turn on him.

There is just too much expectation from one man from the World. Even before Obama had taken office and done anything yet, the media have already compared him to Lincoln, FDR and JFK. And I fear many shall be disappointed with Obama.

And remember Obama himself said America shouldn't be fighting in Iraq, but should be fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. So don't think wars will end under Obama.

I am fan of Obama and he should be given a chance to rebuild America, but don't expect too much. After all he is a politician at the end of the day.

[Island_Wolf]

[The Genius]

WOW, I was right. PALGN is really dominated by the Far Left. Very quick to point the negatives of others, even an Independent like me.

Saddam Hussien was accused by the Bush Adminstration for aiding Al-Quaeda who were behind 9/11.

Simple English is. No 9/11, no Iraq 2003 Invasion. Nuff said.

[Passa]

Saddam Hussein was not a 'scapegoat' for 9/11 as you so claim. His government's supposed 'ties' to al-Qaeda were one of the reasons behind the invasion but the primary catalyst was Hussein's now infamously non-existent 'weapons of mass destruction'.

Anyway, sucks that a mob in Iran burnt an effigy of Obama a week before his inauguration, especially when he is seeking to end many of Bush's policies that made the United States so despised in the Middle East. Or, since I like to quote IT Crowd, "people, what a bunch of bastards".
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[kaerlis]

It's not very far left to consider the blaming of one war on the reasons for another as lousy. Iraq was into power hungry authoritarian dictatorship rather than islamic extremism, and it was very difficult to imagine up any link to al-qaeda, much like WMDs. Since then it's emerged that al-qaeda liked the idea of destabilising Iraq, being in it's own interest. Finishing what his daddy started and having a big legacy was probably a far bigger drive, they say every president wants a war to be remembered by.

immigration control relaxation is more a matter of party demographics, as amusingly a lot of the republican vote comes from immigrants and it was a priority. Africa is all fair and credible though i think.

It's not just left vs right and not neccessarily that related, on another, more debatable conflict you'd get a more even mix of views. It's kinda like walking in after Vietnam and saying well that wasn't so bad really guys..
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[Sin Ogaris]

In reference to the Genius, Saddam Hussein was targeted because Bush Snr couldn't take him out so they made up the whole "WMD" thing as anexcuse to attack. Now I am the first to admit that Saddam Hussein should be hung drawn and quartered but don't blame WMD's for why you're doing it. If the American and Australian Governments had just said, hey, we want to take out Saddam Hussein because he has a bad habit of killing his own people I would have been 100% behind the Iraq War. I'd have been petitioning for MORE troops. No one can say, with a straight face, that Hussein is anything but a bloodthirsty tyrant, he needed to be taken out.. I just didn't agree with the pissfarting around in regards to it.

What 9/11 did was put a fear in the hearts of Americans which then allowed them to take whatever their Government did in retaliation as justified. The people wanted justice and the Government said they would give it... but they never did. Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda became a link that allowed Bush to attack his main antagonist, the aforementioned Saddam Hussein. But as sson as that link was made then the Bush Administration ceased to attack the party responsible for the damage to the American Ego and said party still exists largely untouched.

Ultimately the witch hunt against Saddam Hussein was a result of a son following in his father's footsteps and making the changes that said father wished he could while he was in power, do I think it was the right thing to do... Hell yes. Do I think the actions leading up to said achievement were entirely just, I'm afraid the answer is no.

I do agree with some aspects of what you have to say though, I wholeheartedly agree that after a while Obama is going to see scrutiny just like any other president, it's the way life is. However I don't disapprove of him going after the Taliban. Generally people aren't against war, per se, they're against false wars. The Vietnam War was so controversial because a) media actually taped it and b) anyone who was adverse to violence saw it as a pointless endeavour, why the Hell were America even getting involved when it wasn't their War to fight? Then they lost, which sucked even more. The same goes for the second Gulf War, it was a battle that was based upon a mythical story concocted by those who wished to see the country crumble.

What must be remembered though is there has still been no true retribution for the 9/11 attacks. If Obama wants to tackle the Taliban it's because he wishes to right this wrong, the only people who could possibly be against this are the conspiracy theorists who believe the Government set up the attacks which seems implausible when in reality America could do damn well what it wanted anyway, and didn't really need a catastrophe to make changes but used it anyway as a launching pad.

Anyway, I think I've completely lost my point and alcohol is making me see two keyboards so I wonder if any of this will make sense in the morning but I leave you to ponder on my ramblings anyway.

[Silverbird]

"CHANGE, got any spare CHANGE?"

Regardless of race, colour, background etc etc, they are men and man cannot be trusted.

Look after yourself and your family and friends because no one else will.

[lennex15]

The difference between an inclusion and exclusion government couldn't be more starkly reflected in Bush's philosophy and what Obama has presented so far.

Bush was indeed a moron and there is nothing more dangerous than a fool who has power. This idiot who could hardly string three words together had control over nuclear weapons.

The abolishing of an illegal, immoral, unjust and misinterpreted sense of seeking justice which is called Guantanamo bay is one of the best things that could ever happen. Out of one of the worst things to ever of occurred in America's modern history. By placing captured combatants in a limbo situation outside the annex of the Geneva convention meant that people's fundamental rights were willfully abused.

What was more frightening is the fact that this was justified with a perpetual war against an undefined target. People swallow this shit whole as justification. A war against terror is a war without end and justifies exuberant amounts of money being paid to bullshit companies like Halliburton which Dick Cheney was the CEO of before becoming VP the conflicts of interest would cause any other people to be jailed for fraud and deriving funds from your position.

If Bush and his administration was an African, Asian or Middle eastern government they'd be war criminals unfortunately the powerful write their own justice and rules.

I look forward to a world where the business of looking after people and progression towards common good is put above killing, power and money.
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