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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:23 pm Post subject: Matrix Revolutions discussion thread (spoilers)
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I went into this one with absolutely no expectations and hype, unlike The Matrix Reloaded. The only two promotional things I had seen for the film were the teaser at the end of Reloaded, and the teaser at the end of Enter the Matrix.
I feel a little underwhelmed, even in comparison to the disappointment I experienced seeing Reloaded for the second time, after my expectations died down.
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What left me with the general feeling of distaste was the ending - it just doesn't seem right to me. It's my belief that Man and the Machines are at peace, and anyone who wanted to leave the Matrix is now free to do so - am I right, or do I need to drop another $9.70? There are a few moments where speech tends to drag on and state the obvious a bit much too.
There were a lot of things I did like about the film - the meeting with the Merovingian at the beginning, the fight between Neo and Bane (especially when Neo had his eyes burnt out), the fight within Zion, and of course, the final Neo v Smith fight. For some reason I was somewhat happy to see Trinity get skewered, but it took too fucking long for her to die. The CGI is pretty much flawless this time around - they use the actors themselves a heck of a lot more. The Machine City is bloody gorgeous, too.
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Overall, about 6.5/10
I have to stop going to these 12:01 sessions, because the condensation build up on my car's windscreen gives me the shits (driving with your head out the window just so you can see may be a little fun, but is somewhat dangerous).
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:35 pm Post subject:
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totally agree, even about the 12.30 am sessions, I need sleep desperately but work beckons :S _________________ Watching television is like taking black spray paint to your third eye
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:25 pm Post subject:
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well i enjoyed it, went in as a Matrix fan and walked out a Matrix fan. One concern i had was about how little things were explained which were bought up in Reloaded. The code is in gold now and i couldn't work out if Neo was entirely dead.
Yeah, my only problem is that Revolutions didn't tie up the trilogy in a neat little package like the people doing the publicity said it would. There's more loose ends at the end of Revolutions than at the end of Reloaded.
Regardless, there were some great scenes, like the Dock Breach, Neo vs. Smith, and the scene with Trinity and Merovignian.
The ending... it lacked power. Major anticlimax. If RotK's ending turns out to be anywhere near as unsatisfying as Revolutions' one, I'll personally hunt down Peter Jackson and eat him alive... The only difference between the Wachowskis and Jackson is that Two Towers surpassed the original, whereas neither Reloaded or Revolutions lived up to the original. _________________
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:15 pm Post subject:
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I'll personally hunt down Peter Jackson and eat him alive
I'd say it'd better to hunt down Tolkien, seeing he wrote the books. Pity about that whole "him being dead" bit. _________________ Retro Gaming Australia
I'll personally hunt down Peter Jackson and eat him alive
I'd say it'd better to hunt down Tolkien, seeing he wrote the books. Pity about that whole "him being dead" bit.
uum peter jackson is gonna edit tolkiens story a bit as you did see it in the tTt and there is a rumour that Rotk ends to the part where frodo casts the ring in to the fires of mount doom.. if so .. end sucks ...
and stoned why did you want trinity to die? _________________ Jimi rocks
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why did you want trinity to die?
Because most of Trinity's non-fight scenes involved her droning on about Neo. Really quite dull.
And I didn't know that Peter Jackson would do that - why the hell would you significantly alter the ending of your source material? _________________ Retro Gaming Australia
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What stonedwal has said about Revolutions is exactly how I thought the trilogy would end, and I havn't seen the film yet. Keen eyed observers noticed that some time ago, when The Matrix Online was announced, it took place after the end of events in the third film, where as you can see, the Matrix is still around, I went into Reloaded fully aware of this fact. [Morpheus Voice]The films now connect what I have seen, to what I have not seen.[/Morpheus Voice] _________________
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Well yeah I've seen it twice so far and liked it. Its not the cinema revolution they were promising but its a good movie. It tied up events well enough - what questions remain are but minor details. Think about it - clarifying 'exactly' what happens right after the events of the movie is a whole story in itself..... _________________
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I am the Ultimate Matrix fan of Destiny and I went to the Wednesday 10:00pm Session at Garden City in WA, and all I have to say is that Revolutions was the biggest piece of shit I have ever seen in my life...
After we had all finished the movie, we got a coke cup, put all our movie tickets in it and had a ritual burning outside the cinema.
It made Reloaded look at good as the original Matrix... _________________
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SubElement wrote:
I am the Ultimate Matrix fan of Destiny and I went to the Wednesday 10:00pm Session at Garden City in WA, and all I have to say is that Revolutions was the biggest piece of s**t I have ever seen in my life...
After we had all finished the movie, we got a coke cup, put all our movie tickets in it and had a ritual burning outside the cinema.
It made Reloaded look at good as the original Matrix...
I am the Ultimate Matrix fan of Destiny and I went to the Wednesday 10:00pm Session at Garden City in WA, and all I have to say is that Revolutions was the biggest piece of s**t I have ever seen in my life...
After we had all finished the movie, we got a coke cup, put all our movie tickets in it and had a ritual burning outside the cinema.
It made Reloaded look at good as the original Matrix...
original matrix was best matrix _________________ Jimi rocks
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I just got back from seeing it and I don't know what to say...I still can't decide whether I liked it or not.
I think I was more impressed with Reloaded cause I went in un-hyped whereas with Revolutions I went in expecting the world and all I got was a country. A really sh*tty country. _________________
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The code is in gold now and i couldn't work out if Neo was entirely dead.
Just think about it. The matrix is balanced by an equation. Now assuming it's a division equation (which I believe it is) then when 2 of the same are present on opposite sides then they cancel eachother out. I won't give too much away because there might be people accidently reading this.
I agree with stonedwal about the CGI of 01. I loved it instantly. How come no one calls it 01 in the movie or outside of it?
Also to answer stonedwal, yes all the human's are now free to leave the matrix which is why only programs are left talking at the end of the movie. They have no purpose anymore bringing it back around the what The Oracle said about 'Everything with a beginning has an end.'
Well all in all I think it was a good, hopefully, ending to the Trilogy of films.
One last question. Who else thought the purple nurple was funny?
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SubElement wrote:
I am the Ultimate Matrix fan of Destiny and I went to the Wednesday 10:00pm Session at Garden City in WA, and all I have to say is that Revolutions was the biggest piece of s**t I have ever seen in my life...
After we had all finished the movie, we got a coke cup, put all our movie tickets in it and had a ritual burning outside the cinema.
It made Reloaded look at good as the original Matrix...
Mate, no offense but you are a moron.
It doesn't take too much brainpower to work out that there's more to the Matrix than meets the eye, and once you start reading you won't be able to stop. Do you have any idea why it was raining when Smith and Neo battled at the end? Do you know why Revolutions featured very little "Inside the Matrix" scenes? Do you even know why the Oracle is a different actress in the last movie?? _________________ I don't have a signature yet
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Yeah I know stonedwal, but I was seeing if SubElement knew the reason in real life, because it seems he doesn't really know much about the matrix at all yet he calls himself "the" fan. _________________ I don't have a signature yet
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Tell me about it Master Chief. I for one am a big movie geek, working on a couple of screenplays while juggling work/class. Although i am no where near a MATRIX FAN, it sickens me how people talk aboutt these mivies as 'such a waste.' There are more bad reviews for this film than there are good.
If there is one thing that IRRITATES me, especially when it comes to THE MATRIX, is that most people, especially those who consider themselves 'FANS', cannot surpass the films of its fight scenes and special effects.
Sadly when most people are asked abuot the matrix, they usually answer with quotes such as 'that fight scene kicked ass' or 'trinity is hot' and whatnot, complimenting the movie only for its 'cosmetic' values.
Even more sadder is that the vision created by the Wachowski brothers; whom had laced their movies with everything from culture, relgion, hinduism, buddism, zen, christianity, and many many more of the influences they appreciate so much supplied by the multiculturalism of our world. Sadly their vision goes largely unnoticed, especially by their so called 'fans.' Just take a goods look at the replies to this thread:
favourite parts: the dock breach, neo vs smith, Trinity vs merovingian. Not one person favors its deep, branching story, endless tunnels of 'what if' metaphors, its refelction on the society of the world today. People these days only want to know if the fight scenes are 'cool' enough.
Truth of the matter is, 90% of people cannot see past the movie's fight scenes and special effects. As soon as something of a narrative comes up, immediately the majority of the audience are quick to hate it, unpatient enough of waiting for the next fight scene to arrive.
No wonder why they walk out of the cinema and loudly claim 'the movie sucked, it doesn't make sense at all.
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SubElement wrote:
I am the Ultimate Matrix fan of Destiny and I went to the Wednesday 10:00pm Session at Garden City in WA, and all I have to say is that Revolutions was the biggest piece of s**t I have ever seen in my life...
After we had all finished the movie, we got a coke cup, put all our movie tickets in it and had a ritual burning outside the cinema.
It made Reloaded look at good as the original Matrix...
Mate, no offense but you are a moron.
It doesn't take too much brainpower to work out that there's more to the Matrix than meets the eye, and once you start reading you won't be able to stop. Do you have any idea why it was raining when Smith and Neo battled at the end? Do you know why Revolutions featured very little "Inside the Matrix" scenes? Do you even know why the Oracle is a different actress in the last movie??
Of course there is more to th Matrix than meets the eye you fool, I for one am no saying their isn't. How can you just come in the conversation and call me a mornon just because I don't express the same views as you do?. I don't even know why your asking questions like Do you have any idea why it was raining when Smith and Neo battled at the end? Do you know why Revolutions featured very little "Inside the Matrix" scenes? Do you even know why the Oracle is a different actress in the last movie?? I didn't even mention any of these but if you need your questions answered then here goes. It is raining during the Neo Smith bettle scene, becuase the rain is symbolising the "system crash" that the Architect warned about. As stated above the original Oracle had an heart attack and died during the filming of the Second Matrix, subsiquently the brothers wrote this into the story as the Oracle changing 'shell's'. As for the other question, i'm not going to pretend I know, and nor do I care. _________________
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Not one person favors its deep, branching story, endless tunnels of 'what if' metaphors, its refelction on the society of the world today.
The narrative seemed to take a bit more of a back seat this time around. A lot of people are going to hate that which they understand - if you can see deeper into the film, then that obviously enhances your enjoyment.
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Truth of the matter is, 90% of people cannot see past the movie's fight scenes and special effects
Hollywood films are a commodity, the masses are going there to be entertained, surely as a film student you know these things.
You seem to be coming across as saying "Everyone who thinks it sucks didn't get it". In that case, you're quite wrong. _________________ Retro Gaming Australia
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