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Karai Pantsu
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| The Genius wrote: | I personally would take both.
A beautiful game is a beautiful game, regardless of it's graphic style.
There is room for both kinds of graphic styles (ie. POP and GOW style graphics) in the industry and the success of of both types of genres shows that most folks appreciate both styles of art. |
So would I, and so I do - I'd never suggest a 'One or the other' approach, as it'd make the one style chosen pretty damned unappealing with no different looks to compare it against. I'm just saying that I think over the last few years too much focus has been spent of the stylized realism look and only recently have bright, heavily stylized games started being produced in any significant numbers again.
Now we just need a new, good, entry into the Jet Set Radio series.
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| realitybites wrote: |
Casual games is a new phenomenon. |
It really isn't. The wii is a new phenomenon IN casual gaming, but casual gaming has always existed, be it bored office workers playing solitar on there computer or people busting out mario paint to much around with the song editor.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Karai Pantsu wrote: |
So would I, and so I do - I'd never suggest a 'One or the other' approach, as it'd make the one style chosen pretty damned unappealing with no different looks to compare it against. I'm just saying that I think over the last few years too much focus has been spent of the stylized realism look and only recently have bright, heavily stylized games started being produced in any significant numbers again.
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I get your point now.
And agree that to much realism being put in graphics have dominated the gaming industry in recent years. The devs have finaly now realised that old school rulez, that's why we are seeing more stylized games.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The devs have finaly now realised that old school rulez, that's why we are seeing more stylized games. |
What does it have to do with oldschool?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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As in, that's how games we played ages ago looked like. Only that the art style has obviously advanced.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| The Genius wrote: | | As in, that's how games we played ages ago looked like. Only that the art style has obviously advanced. |
Styling something out of techonlogical nessecity is nothing like styling something out of pure artistic choice. Even games ages ago attempted to look realistic. They just wern't verry good at it. (although I wager we'll be saying the same thing about games today in 20 years, we're so far off true realisim it's not funny)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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^^Yeah, but realism doesn't make for the best games does it?
With the success of games like Mega Man 9 and Street Fighter on the current gen consoles, clearly gamers want to relive the good old days.
And games that have that old feel look are popular because they remind us of the good old days of gaming.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Clearly it bothers the PALGN staff, How many 360 game reviews in a row? 6, 7
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| The Genius wrote: |
And games that have that old feel look are popular because they remind us of the good old days of gaming. |
And then you end up like the comics industry, desperatly trying to please old fans at the price of inovation and excluding new fans.
Not a great road to go down.
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These days in gaming the word "graphics" generally always automatically means high end 3d models/background etc.
This is very annoying as I see a game with 2d and think it has really great graphics (disgaea for example) and other people automatically see it say that its horrible / outdated / "why is there a playstation game being released on ps3?" etc.
I think the importance of 3d graphics is overrated, and is getting to the point where (i think) alot of the games that would have been developed for consoles in previous generations are being moved to handhelds, simply for fear of being heavily criticized by reviewers and the like for having graphics that arent the latest in 3d modelling. This is probably most apparent in the RPG genre. Every RPG that has had 2d graphics in the past couple of years has been unfairly judged because of its non 3d graphics, even though it may have been completely intentional, and required to portray a certain feeling or atmosphere for the user (odin sphere).
Without 2d graphics this business would be nothing, and I think reviewers and gamers need to have more respect for games that dont have the highest level of 3d graphics, and judge graphics on overall visual appeal/ artistic creativity/ feeling that games give a user and how effective they are considering the gameplay and particular genres.
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| realitybites wrote: | | Just to clarify "exceed" does not mean succeed. Exceed means make bucket loads of money. Succeed means I didn't do my ass making the game. |
Ahh, you mean excel, the misuse of exceed had me wondering which of excel or succeed you meant, I just picked the convenient one 
| realitybites wrote: | | I said one of the main. See/read that word "one". |
| realitybites wrote: | | Graphics is the main ingredient for a game to succeed. |
Actually you didn't which is why I was so quick to pick on it
Shameless picking apart of technicallities asside, if you meant something along the lines of "graphics is one of the main reasons a AAA game excels in the current market" then I too agree, for a AAA game to excel in the current market it really does need to have everything top notch, including graphics.
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Just to be clear, IMO graphics are for making great games excellent, but they can't make up for any failings in gameplay or other important areas, unless like crysis it becomes more of a benchmark.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Ramblerun wrote: |
I think the importance of 3d graphics is overrated, and is getting to the point where (i think) alot of the games that would have been developed for consoles in previous generations are being moved to handhelds, simply for fear of being heavily criticized by reviewers and the like for having graphics that arent the latest in 3d modelling. This is probably most apparent in the RPG genre. Every RPG that has had 2d graphics in the past couple of years has been unfairly judged because of its non 3d graphics, even though it may have been completely intentional, and required to portray a certain feeling or atmosphere for the user (odin sphere).
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Disagree
First of all many mature and seasoned gamers don't mind the 2D graphics. Look at what happened when Street Fighter went 3D.
It failed dismally and the fans wanted it to go back to it''s 2D roots.
Its just been a lack of creativity these days.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| The Genius wrote: |
Disagree
First of all many mature and seasoned gamers don't mind the 2D graphics. Look at what happened when Street Fighter went 3D.
It failed dismally and the fans wanted it to go back to it''s 2D roots.
Its just been a lack of creativity these days. |
Im not sure what you are disagreeing with there. And yea I agree, some games just dont work as good in 3d situations, and thats where I think people dont want to make 2d games for newer consoles because they get slammed for it, but rather make the games for ds or psp.
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^^ Get your point now.
The problem is with modern day kids who started gaming in the PS and N64 era.
Those are the kind who value graphics over anything else and as a result we are seeing less 2D games in order to please the new generation of gamers.
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| The Genius wrote: |
The problem is with modern day kids who started gaming in the PS and N64 era.
Those are the kind who value graphics over anything else and as a result we are seeing less 2D games in order to please the new generation of gamers. |
Curse those modern day kids. *shakes fist*
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Ramblerun wrote: | These days in gaming the word "graphics" generally always automatically means high end 3d models/background etc.
This is very annoying as I see a game with 2d and think it has really great graphics (disgaea for example) and other people automatically see it say that its horrible / outdated / "why is there a playstation game being released on ps3?" etc.
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Disaea has crap graphics, this has nothing to do with it being 2D or 3D (It's actually a hybrid with 2D sprites and 3D backgrounds)
This has to do with it being lo-res lo animation 2D grahpics. That looks like a PSP game. I would have loved to see it with HD sprites and 30 fps animation but it doesn't have them and it looks crap.
I never heard a bad thing about Odin Spheres grahpics, I've heard it was a boring repetive game but I've only ever herad glowing (Well deserved) praise for its graphics.
If anything 2D is seing a resurgence of late, look at the games from last year, Braid, Papaton, Castle Crashers, Megaman 8, The Pixel Junk games, World of Goo, Wario Land Shake it etc.
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If anything 2D is seing a resurgence of late, look at the games from last year, Braid, Papaton, Castle Crashers, Megaman 8, The Pixel Junk games, World of Goo, Wario Land Shake it etc. |
I hope to see the resurgence of Beat' em ups which have been scarce in recent years. Would love to play games with the formula of Streets of Rage, Double Dragons, Bad Dudes and the likes.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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God Hand and Viewtiful Joe are all you need ;P
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Look we'd all like to say 'gameplay is more important' which in some ways is true.
However we must remember that graphics are part of the gameplay, I doubt Dead Space would have been as enjoyable for me if the graphics weren't so good. Not because I like pretty stuff but because, like many have said, it adds to the immersion and the believability of the game.
A good game requires a balance of both graphics and gameplay, I'd rather a game with adverage gameplay and adverage graphics (like Spore) to something with great gamplay and poor graphics any day. The same applies for a game with Great graphics and poor gameplay (Crysis comes to mind).
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Just an additional point, I Think Geometry Wars is a great looking game with fun addictive gameplay. As already said 2D does not always equal 'poor graphics'
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| The Genius wrote: | | Benza wrote: |
If anything 2D is seing a resurgence of late, look at the games from last year, Braid, Papaton, Castle Crashers, Megaman 8, The Pixel Junk games, World of Goo, Wario Land Shake it etc. |
I hope to see the resurgence of Beat' em ups which have been scarce in recent years. Would love to play games with the formula of Streets of Rage, Double Dragons, Bad Dudes and the likes. |
It came out last year, was called Castle Crashers and kicked arse.
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^^Haven't heard of that one before.
I have lost touch with last gen console games since the PS3 ain't BC.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Castle Crashers is an XBLA title.
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| The Genius wrote: | ^^Haven't heard of that one before.
I have lost touch with last gen console games since the PS3 ain't BC. |
Check it out it's pretty fucking rad
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| The Genius wrote: |
The problem is with modern day kids who started gaming in the PS and N64 era.
Those are the kind who value graphics over anything else and as a result we are seeing less 2D games in order to please the new generation of gamers. |
I started with N64, and i now find myself playing varieties of old snes games (on emulation).
And for me, graphics, well i really dont give a dam. If the game had an interesting factor to it, like storyline, gameplay, setting or environment, or if it made you think about what could happen, or made to want to get further in the game, rather than kill more people. i would most of the time, definately go to pick it up.
I am so sick a tired of hearing about FPS's. what was wrong with NOT killing things in bloody wars?
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