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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Sanity stocking games? Reply with quote

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Just a quick question, I was in my local sanity today and the staff told me as of Saturday they are stocking Games and consoles, is this something that all sanity's are doing?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably is ture. Just another fantastic retailer that thinks selling things at RRP is doing people a favour!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My local Sanity has been selling games for weeks now, and takes up almost half the store.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is good, that means next time i get a crappy sanity voucher I have something to spend it on rather than a $30 album.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sanity stores around me have been selling games for a couple of months. I think it's something of a last ditch effort to save an ailing chain, but their prices are not at all competitive for what is now essentially a smaller, more expensive version of JB Hi Fi. And Sanity stores are usually NEAR JB Hi Fi. @_@
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sanity stores around me have been selling games for a couple of months. I think it's something of a last ditch effort to save an ailing chain, but their prices are not at all competitive for what is now essentially a smaller, more expensive version of JB Hi Fi. And Sanity stores are usually NEAR JB Hi Fi. @_@


they are going to need to incorporate price matching to even be the slightest bit competitive...your right though they are just a smaller more inferior version of JB, maybe JB should launch a takeover bid? icon_wink.gif
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I think this is a good idea though, the more competition the better. Im sure they will have specials from time to time too.
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Someone gave me a sanity voucher for my birthday and I was so happy when I saw they had games. I bought mario kart and will probably never go in there again
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the one at Orion dosnt , - is there any ps3 /ps2 bargins to be had ?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Didn't Sanity take over HMV here in Australia? Last time I checked they were both separate stores in the UK..
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Didn't Sanity take over HMV here in Australia? Last time I checked they were both separate stores in the UK..


nah- HMV at indro is as pricey as hell.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sanity in Parramatta Westfields has had games in stock for over 6 months now, but last time I was there the games were all at full RRP, and even if the games were platinum/classics they were still $99.95 for 360/PS3 stuff
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Sanity in Parramatta Westfields has had games in stock for over 6 months now, but last time I was there the games were all at full RRP, and even if the games were platinum/classics they were still $99.95 for 360/PS3 stuff


ouch did you try asking them about there prices ?
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I only noticed it recently at the Castle Hill store-as expected most of their games are pretty pricey, though there was the odd cheap Wii game or two.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Didn't Sanity take over HMV here in Australia? Last time I checked they were both separate stores in the UK..


nah- HMV at indro is as pricey as hell.

How does it being pricey indicate it is independent of Sanity? Sanity bought HMV back in about 2005.
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Didn't Sanity take over HMV here in Australia? Last time I checked they were both separate stores in the UK..


nah- HMV at indro is as pricey as hell.

How does it being pricey indicate it is independent of Sanity? Sanity bought HMV back in about 2005.


just seems that way , out of all the stores i go to HMV and David jones are killers .
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Probably is ture. Just another fantastic retailer that thinks selling things at RRP is doing people a favour!!


That has got to be one of the most stupid things I have ever read in this forum.

Clearly you are ill informed at how much money there is to be made in gaming consoles and games.

As of right now, Nintendo Wii at $399 RRP will make the retailer a generous $12-$20 at most. Throw in the fact that most places are now giving a free game away with the Wii, the console in fact loses money for the business. On top of this, half the people buying a Wii are doing so at the request of their kids and have no idea what a Wii does/is so they spend a good 15-20 minutes asking questions with the sales people they deal with.

Any retailer selling gaming consoles and games is doing people an enormous favour because they are a shit product to stock because there is almost no money in them. Do you honestly think places like EB Games or JB WANT to price match for you and sell things below cost? No they don't, but they will do it anyway because they will just bone you when you want to trade games in.

Come Christmas time, people are going to be clamouring for things like Wiis, Ps3s and Xbox360s yet retailers will make nothing on them. They will try to make their money selling accessories or extra games.

It's fine for you to not like shopping at Sanity, but get your facts straight before dribbling an idiotic line like that.

Edit: And I'm not simply defending Sanity here, I think they are crap cos I don't buy CDs/DVDs anyway. I think that the above quoted line was just pure retarded.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You say all that, yet most shops charge UNDER the RRP, so obviously they can afford to do it, and are making more than $15-$20. Cause if they were making nothing, JB would have gone bankrupt a long time ago.
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Jb lose money on each sale. Lucky for them they sell a shitload of Tv's and Computers with big premiums, and thats how they make their money. Along with being australias biggest? dvd and cd retailer. zing.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the content in the above post, perhaps not so much the tone but the man makes a very very valid point.

The only real amendment i'll make that is in most cases when a bundle or something is about if one looks at the cost price of each item you will most likely read a significant loss however in many cases the retailer has negotiated some sort of subsidized order with the distributor so it works out best for everyone.

In terms of sales you will find games sell alot, and generate alot of income however that income is rarely a substantial profit. Without giving too many details it is rare that a product, either software or hardware will ever make a retailer more that $20 per item. In fact i'd guess the average profit margin of software titles would be around $5 - $10.

I do feel and wish however that consumers would do some research before making what is quite a significant purchase, as explaining the ins and outs of these things for 15 - 20 minutes at a time can be laborious especially trying to explain that a controller and nunchuk does not mean 2 players can play at once!!!

Also i have never, in my years of retail ever ever ever seen a price-matching culture that exists like it does within games retail. Personally i was brought up going to the cheapest place first, seeing if they hopefully had some stock left and if not moving on to the next store and so on. The audacity of customers TELLING you to price match something is absurd and plain rude. They don't seem to realise how sales work, as i have said in most cases that specific retailer orders one order at a reduced price from the distributor that then allows them to sell it at a lower price and still make money!

Finally i'd like to finish this rant by saying that its never a bad thing to have more people selling games, sure sanity will most likely not have bargains we will be knocking down the door for but take us back to the nes and snes days - we weren't all ravenous, blood thirsty consumers like the public are today. I remember buying all my games from plastic sleeves in the isles of toys r us or video games heaven. Those were the glory days people!!
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Sambo110, you need to study the current market climate before you say things like that. Business is all about revenue at the moment. A lot of stores are running at a loss right now but will price match/take any deal because $1000 in your store is a $1000 that another store didn't get, even if it cost you $100 to make the sale.

Perfect example here; On the weekend I had a gentleman wanting to buy 3 nintendo wii's. One for his kids and the other 2 for presents. He brought in a Toy's R Us catalogue and a Game catalogue. All up the 3 bundles lost our store a total of about $240, but we did it with a smile because in the current business climate, revenue is everything.

JB Hi-Fi make their money elsewhere, if you have a good experience in JB buying all your games etc, then where is the first place you will visit when you want a TV? It's smart business on JB's behalf, but its a short term loss, hence the reason they now trade games.

Go into any store and shop for a Wii, ask them to throw something worth around $30 in for free. They will laugh at you.

Edit: Moistflaps is correct on the subsidies too, however that doesn't apply if for example JB Hi-Fi were to price match a deal that EB is doing.

And apologies on the tone, it's just something extremely frustrating for me to read because everybody seems to act like a know it all when they are a know very little. I mean, if we were to talk cars I'd shut my mouth cos I'm clueless.
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The other problem this price matching sham creates is giving consumers a false sense of security that the prices can easily be changed/lowered.

Case in point, there is about $30 is most consoles if they are sold at RRP without any add-ons/ price matches/ discounts. Customers tend to understand that we can't really move on the price of a 360 or wii due to them being mostly under $400. However for some reason they believe due to the price being near double that we make double the profit on a PS3, this is in fact the very opposite!

Jb is lucky to have other departments, specially hi-fi, cameras, cds and dvds to earn revenue while creating market share with departments such as games. I'd love to see an EB games sale report to see just what profit margin is left after price matching.
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Also i have never, in my years of retail ever ever ever seen a price-matching culture that exists like it does within games retail.

It's because of the stupidly high launch prices of games, that isn't really comparable in any other market (maybe DVDs, although to a lesser extent). Games that RRP at $100-120 are often worth a third of that in less than a year and that sort of depreciation just isn't seen in other (new) goods. So with that in mind gamers are a pretty stingy bunch when it comes to new releases, as is evident from reading just a handful of posts on PALGN.
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The Irony is now that Market Square in Geelong will have a JB HiFi, an EB and a Sanity within 40m of each other in the same strip.

Funnily enough, Sanity is right next door to EB.
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Also i have never, in my years of retail ever ever ever seen a price-matching culture that exists like it does within games retail.

It's because of the stupidly high launch prices of games, that isn't really comparable in any other market (maybe DVDs, although to a lesser extent). Games that RRP at $100-120 are often worth a third of that in less than a year and that sort of depreciation just isn't seen in other (new) goods. So with that in mind gamers are a pretty stingy bunch when it comes to new releases, as is evident from reading just a handful of posts on PALGN.


Very true, but i guess im just old fashioned in the sense i prefer to reward the companies that take the initiative to have a sale.
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