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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Xbox 360 to match PS3's lifespan Reply with quote

Xbox 360 to match PS3's lifespan by Matt
360 News: Apparently one day longer than Sony.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sony have said they since day 1 that they have a 10 year plan for the PS3. I find it hard to believe we will be seeing new release Xbox 360 games in 2016, but time will tell.
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If the life of the ps2 is anything of an indication as to how long the ps3 will be around; microsoft have a big task ahead of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Apparently one day longer then Sony.


Sorry to be picky but it is one day longer THAN Sony.
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Good for Microsoft. I think they'll be able to keep up with Sony. They are doing pretty well with the 360. Unless they prove me wrong by releasing a new console some time soon and blowing this guys statement out of the water, I think they'll go neck to neck with the PS3.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think they'll be able to keep up with Sony. They are doing pretty well with the 360.


Until PlayStation games take full advantage of Blu-ray storage capacities of up to 200GB.

The Xbox 360 is in its prime right now, and the PlayStation 3 is only getting better.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Speaking also about Blu-ray, Kim continued saying Microsoft still isn’t interested in the possibility of including it for the Xbox 360 and that digitally downloaded movies will be more important in the future instead.

I'm still dubious about this. I highly doubt within the lifespan of the 360 that internet speeds in the US, let alone Australia, will be fast enough to download an uncompressed full HD movie. SD maybe, but isn't HD the whole point of this generation?

And if they really aren't interested in traditional distribution, why did they release the HD-DVD addon in the first place?
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Until PlayStation games take full advantage of Blu-ray storage capacities of up to 200GB


200gb? You do know that the Blue-ray storage capacity on duel layer in 60Gig right...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I might have slight bias for Sony since I own a PS3, but whenever Sony talk about their future plans they speak about what they want to do. However when Microsoft speak about the 360 they're always comparing it to the competition, as if they are still struggling to carve their own identity.
Instead of continually referencing the PS3 worry about your own console which has done well so far but if Sony keep picking up their game will have a tough time in the future.

*Waits for the flood of comments proving me otherwise*
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He's talking about the potential of creating an 8 layer blu-ray disc(which I think they've already done...), holding 25GB per layer. Apparently the PS3 would only require a firmware upgrade to be able to read it.
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You do know that the Blue-ray storage capacity on duel layer in 60Gig right...


Read the rest of the article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Ongoing_development
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He's talking about the potential of creating an 8 layer blu-ray disc(which I think they've already done...), holding 25GB per layer. Apparently the PS3 would only require a firmware upgrade to be able to read it.


Ahh, I see. Sorry for my ignorance. Well then, Kojima should of waited for the extra storage! He could of done more for MGS4. Not that it already wasn't a great game.
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Well, if labour governments plan for the great firewall of aus kicks off, then our connections could be slowed up to 80%. There's no doubt that we will be unable to download movies then. The lack of high speed broadband doesn't help either.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hopefully devs learn their way around the PS3 so owners of both consoles actually have to make a decision as to what to get.

I have both consoles and as soon as i know its a mulitport pretty much i always go for the X360 version.

Time will tell i guess but hopefully the devs give more love the ps3 way
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lol The 360 wont match the PS3's lifespan.. thats the whole point of a more expensive console; they're not the same. The PS3 has more grunt and features behind that glossy black finish - thats why its got a 10 year plan and the 360 will have a 6-7 one at tops.
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lol The 360 wont match the PS3's lifespan.. thats the whole point of a more expensive console; they're not the same. The PS3 has more grunt and features behind that glossy black finish - thats why its got a 10 year plan and the 360 will have a 6-7 one at tops.


Like the grunt the PS2 had? It was clearly inferior to the competition (except the GCN's lack of a DVD drive perhaps) and it outlasted them both. Don't be fooled by 'expensive' features that are of no value to longevity. The Wii could, and might, probably outlast all the competition without half the functionality.

It should be obvious to everyone that Xbox 360 won't last that long as Microsoft's LEAD platform - just as Sony still milks the PS2, Microsoft can do the same with the 360. Sony are in a situation where they are almost forced to last that long if they want to break even from the initial PS3 R&D spending - Microsoft aren't worried and have hardly those concerns with money so while they may leave it alive for that long they will have their future in place with a much more powerful (than PS3 and 360) machine by that point.
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He's talking about the potential of creating an 8 layer blu-ray disc(which I think they've already done...), holding 25GB per layer. Apparently the PS3 would only require a firmware upgrade to be able to read it.



Sony are testing blu-ray discs at current with 10 layers (25gig per layer)... which lets face it is nuts having said that we have already seen what the PS3 is capable of and that is MGS 4... it didn't need 200gb so the question is what game will?

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Speaking also about Blu-ray, Kim continued saying Microsoft still isn’t interested in the possibility of including it for the Xbox 360 and that digitally downloaded movies will be more important in the future instead.



M$ don't need to put a blu-ray attachment to the 360 at the moment considering that a X360 and a BD live blu-ray player is now a cheaper option than a PS3 and considering that there are more games that look and play better on 360, M$ has put the sword to Sony and Sony must respond.
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Sony are testing blu-ray discs at current with 10 layers (25gig per layer)... which lets face it is nuts having said that we have already seen what the PS3 is capable of and that is MGS 4... it didn't need 200gb so the question is what game will?

God of War 3? Gran Turismo 5? Metal Gear Solid 5? Any game Sony plans on releasing in the next 8 years? MGS4 was not showing off what the PS3 is capable of, only what programmers were capable of at the time of release. Less than a year after MGS4, Killzone 2 is already blowing it away and I'm sure God of War 3 will blow Killzone 2 away. Think about the PS3 games coming 6 years from now and that is why Sony would be interested in 200 gig Blu-ray discs.
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Tackling blue-ray with digitial download is a dumb idea. Here in Australia we have no chance to download movies never mind HD ones. The 360 has to last as long as ps3 cause if they release a new one before sony, no one would buy it (speaking as a consumer). Microsoft has already choose the wrong horse with hd-movies and I find it funny that they are taking another wrong move with digital download (except I own a 360 not a ps3). With the ps3 technologogy better (but with no game in the foreseeable future taking advatage of it) I think in order for Microsoft to stay competive at the end of this cycle they will have to ensure that they offer something that sony can not compete with. The only thing I can think of that has the power to do that is make xbox live free or get some major exclusives such as rock band, call of duty, gta ect (I dont see that happening).

But in counter the ps2 was an inferior system but with more games, a larger install base and the fact that microsoft was a newcomer to the console meant that they won that cycle. The 360 although is less powerful has shown that it gets more games and its easier to code games for (the last fact will soon go as more developers get used to the system). So Microsoft may cling to the 360 until sony make the next console because of the fact that they could continue winning the console war at the moment.

I also think the wii has shown that the nature of games has changed and the real market is in casual gamers not hardcore (which is who the ps3 and 360 target) Even though I think the wii is just a gimmick and has few games, microsoft and sony may argue that there is no need for new consoles because the wii is less powerful and still kicks there arses in sales (I really hope that does not happen)

So if you can't be ****** reading all that in summary I have no idea but hope that a new consoles comes in about 2014-16 and that the wii fails horribly cause of a lack of real games. Also the 360 really should add a blue-ray player add-on cause digital download sucks (And blue-ray looks awesome!)
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I think it's very ignorant of Sony and MS to believe that their consoles will span a lifetime much longer than 5 years. Even the most high-end PCs are only good for 3-5years tops (without upgrades). So it's a joke to think that Sony expects to run with the PS3 until, what, 2016? That's just laughable. Especially all of you talking about 200gb BDs, since the storage will be getting better while the hardware isn't (which just screams 'bottleneck' to me).

I'm guessing that new consoles from all parties have been in R&D since 2006, and that we'll be seeing them in 2011/2012. Although I'll be incredibly surprised if I end up playing my 360 for a decade of my life xD.
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However when Microsoft speak about the 360 they're always comparing it to the competition, as if they are still struggling to carve their own identity.


I keep thinking that too. Nintendo and Sony have such an integral role in the industry. Microsoft has a lot of work ahead of them to come to this level also.
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The 360 although is less powerful has shown that it gets more games and its easier to code games for (the last fact will soon go as more developers get used to the system).


Its 'easier' because they made it as similar as possible to pc game coding, with products such as xna... Thats why many xbox 'exclusives' are also on pc. Such as Fable 2. Which was smart on Microsoft's part. But I really think that devs are starting to pick up on PS3's capabilities (and starting to love said capabilities), especially sony exclusive devs, they are doing great things.
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I think that this article is actually quite misleading.

Shane Kim only said that they would continue selling the 360 as long as the PS3 was selling. He never stated that a new console wouldn't be realesed in that time. I think he's expecting a PS2/PS3 sort of thing like Sony currently has going on.
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But I really think that devs are starting to pick up on PS3's capabilities (and starting to love said capabilities), especially sony exclusive devs, they are doing great things.


Can you tell me which games?
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Regardless of how long MS sells the 360 for, I just can't see how Sony can afford to have the PS3 as their lead platform for 10 years- sounds a little too much like marketing, and not enough engineering. Say Microsoft bring out their next version in 3-5 years time that has the regulation step up in capabilities. Say Nintendo bring out the WiiHD which 360 style graphics and controllers sensitive enough for a decent cricket game - then what? Maybe it can sit happily under the TV as a media centre, but as a gaming machine? Also, how much more power can their be in the PS3? Will Resistance 3 have graphics that much better than 2? Were they that much better in 2 than 1? Are third parties willing to spend the effort digging it out?

Also, I can't see Blu-Ray making any difference. Bigger harddrives in consoles basically make Blu-Ray redundant, at least in terms of gaming. Now that you can install games on to the HDDs then it doesn't really matter if you have to ship your game on 2 DVD's - not that having to swap them was every really a problem (thinking of Resident Evil on the GameCube, which had two discs). Sure, for movies it's different (at least in Australia), but I can't see how having that much extra space is really going to make any difference - it's not like the hardware is magically going to be able to handle massively higher resolution textures, or developers are going to produce hundreds of extra levels or better experiences. The limitation in this day and age is studio money and time, not the amount of space on the disc.

I think it's obvious it really needs a big price cut (can Sony afford it though?)- at least over here in the UK 360's are so ridiculously cheap, and given that the UK and Europe are sliding quite badly into recession it's hard to see people spending the extra money on a PS3. Perhaps LBP, Resistance and such will boost sales but I can't imagine how they are going to sell the literally millions of PS3s Sony need to catch the 360. If Sony can't use their exclusives to move the PS3 then at some point soon the third-parties won't bother to spend the money developing a version for the PS3 which takes advantage of its supposed power - they'll just get ports in the same way the GC got PS2 ports last gen.
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