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Fetidchimp
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Maybe we are to old gizmo, but i find most of the younger people on here are surprisingly sane.......
Most of the people that have responded to this thread are the core of the current forum anyway and in the main you've all done good, run hard onto the ball......
Personally i think the swear filter works better than the negs and plusses for keeping it fairly intelligent anyway.
As for ugh, well i must say the anarchist in me appreciated him, his lack of political correctness i liked, the strange way he could get me to read his posts like i had ADD was a little odd.....but as previously stated, you can do all that without calling people an idiot for having their own opinions.
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| Benza wrote: | | Sinthesys wrote: | | I think people are just getting frustrated, as they pour like 30 minutes into writing a detailed and informative post, and get maybe 1 or 2 pluses, while someone else comes a long and posts a silly one liner and gets 20 pluses. |
If you're writing your big well informed detailed post only to get pluses you're a self important douche bag. |
I don't think people write posts with pluses in mind, but people value them nevertheless. If all the pluses are going to one liners and not to content rich posts, then it encourages one sort of post over the other.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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It would encorage more of the one liners etc, but I don't think it would nessicarily discourage more well thought out posts etc. As those are genneraly made by people that actually have something to say. So they're gunna post it regardless.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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In short i dont think plusses are the problem, i think its people being too scared to post what they really think due to a bombardment of negs. I recall in IRC one night one forum member boasting about how they have got the least amount of negs out of all of them, and they intend to keep it that way. So it just turns into an ass kissing parade
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly, I think the plus system is fairly well implemented. The negging system does have a few flaws, but most people abide by the rules.
The negging system was placed for people to express their differences of opinion or dissatisfaction. However, not every little disagreement needs to be negged. I think the only appropriate time to use it is to express extreme disagreement of opinion and dissatisfaction.
But there is hardly a way to stop a very minority of users from abusing this system, so I think it is best to leave it as is. Fellow forum-ers should send the abusers with a pm asking them to reconsider their actions.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Plusses and negs don't affect the way I post or the way I read a post. To be honest I couldn't care less about getting negged, cause really who reads a post and thinks "wow this person makes a good point", or "wow that post was funny, but before I agree with it or plus it I'll check their profile to make sure they don't have too many negs"? I plus and I neg where I feel is necessary.
EDIT: Blink that's a laugh seeing you say stuff like that. I remember you PM'ing me a while back whinging at me for negging you.
Can't forget about this either. You may not have been playing for plusses, but you were playing for $poons, which you get from being plussed.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Blink wrote: | | In short i dont think plusses are the problem, i think its people being too scared to post what they really think due to a bombardment of negs. I recall in IRC one night one forum member boasting about how they have got the least amount of negs out of all of them, and they intend to keep it that way. So it just turns into an ass kissing parade |
Seriously though, she speaks her mind on IRC just as much as PALGN, I don't think she is so serious about not having negs she wouldn't speak her mind, usually even if people like her speak their mind in an intelegant way they will not get negged, maybe even get plussed. I'm sure if ever tina is to present an unpopular view on something (she probably has somewhere) she would not state her views in negative way and most likely avoid negs.
Jibbs is mostly a good example of intelligently expressing an opinion. Ughs opinions were not always unintelligent, but the way he presented and defended them was.
Also, I think this thread is pretty silly, some good discussion has come from it but its mostly just a waste of time an Zarnoss is probably pretty happy with the reaction he has gotten.
Also blink, your a massive hypocrite I have seen you go to drastic lengths in the past for Spoons and pluses.
And oh, just talking to IW, turns out she was at the time saying she just got her 1st neg, she never said anything about trying to keep it that way and currently has 4 negs.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Don't be afraid to call me a jerk.I've been a jerk.If i ran into someone like myself on here i'd kill myself(that other jibbs, not me.That other jibbs is a jerk).
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Pete wrote: | | making the voting system annonymous |
I don't think this would be an improvement. Mods/Staff would have to spend more time examining the logs for users participating in rate camping (up or down).
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm here now, neg me if you wanted don't care, not really going to use the spoons - only will be giving back to palgn users one day (for sig making and I have something else planned for the future, but I'll wait til my Summer Holiday).
I do remember we were discussing about negs in IRC though, just happen I have less than most but then I did do not as many post so its kinda relative (haven't hit 1,000 milestone yet)
I do have views that is unpopular, but people like nikack often beaten me to it (like banned games) or posts in the Guys thread about woman's perspective (which I thought a neg says enough in that situation).
I had my fair share of posts that screams NEG ME like those in theology/obesity etc and I will continue to voice my views in the future if there is a topic that interest me.
Atm, <Insert game name here> gets banned topics never interest me as I would just usually post "It doesn't worry me one bit, I don't play that game nor will I intend to and if the game really needs those banned material to be in, then its a weak game" if I was bothered to. (And having to read through all these posts about some guy I don't care about).
My post rate has decreased but that only because I'm at uni and programming/travelling to uni takes up most of my time. It got absolutely nothing to do with +/-
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Jibbs wrote: | | Don't be afraid to call me a jerk.I've been a jerk.If i ran into someone like myself on here i'd kill myself(that other jibbs, not me.That other jibbs is a jerk). |
Speaking of killing...
...a very real example of why you shouldn't provoke aggression online.
Nutcase flew to another country to kill the victim over an argument on an Advance Wars forum...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Those Advance Wars kids, freaking psycho (that's why I fear Jibbs).
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think people are scared of negging, especially people on their friends list. I am, I disagree with quite a bit my friends say or the manner they present themselves ,but I fear that if I neg them I'd ruin the friendship that was previously/presently...errmmm present :S lol.
I love people who I see that neg me but also plus me, that way I truly know that there is no bias and I really know if my posts were out of whack or not. Sin Ogaris, Big Pet, nikack etc.
Its just negs look so nasty :[
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Island_Wolf wrote: | | Atm, <Insert game name here> gets banned topics never interest me as I would just usually post "It doesn't worry me one bit, I don't play that game nor will I intend to and if the game really needs those banned material to be in, then its a weak game" if I was bothered to. (And having to read through all these posts about some guy I don't care about). |
while i appreciate that posting that in every thread where we find out that a particular game has been RCed or edited would get tedious not only for people who have an interest in a particular game. or the issue in general, but also for you to have to rewrite it every few months, it does raise a pretty valid point regarding extreme material in games: does the fact that the player gets an electric drill to the eye actually contribute to the game, or is it being extreme for the sake of being extreme?
but this is a debate for one of those threads (specifically, the SHHC thread).
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| samiboi wrote: | .
EDIT: Blink that's a laugh seeing you say stuff like that. I remember you PM'ing me a while back whinging at me for negging you.
Can't forget about this either. You may not have been playing for plusses, but you were playing for $poons, which you get from being plussed. |
Big difference. One is stepping lightly and not voicing your own opinion out of wanting to be plussed/not being negged, and the other is playing a game with some form of money on the line. There is an xbl game atm with a spoon buy in, big wow.
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| Spacebreak wrote: | I think people are scared of negging, especially people on their friends list. I am, I disagree with quite a bit my friends say or the manner they present themselves ,but I fear that if I neg them I'd ruin the friendship that was previously/presently...errmmm present :S lol.
I love people who I see that neg me but also plus me, that way I truly know that there is no bias and I really know if my posts were out of whack or not. Sin Ogaris, Big Pet, nikack etc.
Its just negs look so nasty :[ |
Just out of interest I went and gazed upon my plus/neg ratio of you and I believe I only ever sent you one negative. The reason being you suggested sport shouldn't be shown on free to air which being a massive Rugby League fan was always going to draw some form of skepticism. 
I can't believe I forgot this earlier in regards to DIU but I'd like to present a question to the entire forum. What are you trying to say when you neg the other person?
Generally I only neg posters if I believe they're going against the guidelines or the standards PalGN has kept in place. So if a post appears to be spammy, irrelevant, flaming or a totally offensive point raised with next to no backing I generally neg it. I feel if I neg somebody for presenting an opinion I don't entirely agree with BUT they've provided enough justification than generally I'll either leave it blank or if the post is of true quality actually plus it.
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Honestly its about time this was locked .
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: |
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I neg as a result of breaking the rules, and sometimes just for stupidity, or in the funny links thread for posts that are pathetically unfunny, or just crude.
I've also been known to neg just for ****s and giggles, if it makes me smile by doing so, and I will very rarely neg something which I don't think should have gotten so many plusses.
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| Spacebreak wrote: | | Its just negs look so nasty :[ |
Really? I find they compliment my eyes rather well.
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Ah. It has been a long time since I posted or even lurked around these forums. This whole '+' and '-' -giving ( or "POSsing" and "NEGging", I assume? ) is completely new to me. A pretty nifty feature as far as I am concerned - as long as it doesn't become a popularity-tool or something people take too seriously. Nobody should be afraid of being 'negged', and as long as one gives his opinion in an articulate, polite manner, he should be allowed to say whatever he wishes.
I am not going to comment on this recent banning since I have no first-hand experience of the said poster. I have faith in the old-timers, though, and I do think that these mods of ours are intelligent and fair. Rock on, my old friends. 
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Whoa I wake up to 2 more pages to read.. 
Well it seems there is still quite a differing view on the neg , plus system here that we will truly never get to the bottom of I guess, but it is good to see people speaking their mind about the subject, has been a great read of everyones point of view in this matter. 
I like the sound of that system Goober was talking about also with differing options such as 'flame bait, funny, agree, disagree,informative, troll' etc rather than the 'black and white' plus and negative system.That system is also easily viewed by the mods/public for scrutiny and can sort out the abusers/haters/bullies and will keep people in check.How that will tie in with the current $poon system though....lol no idea.Maybe we need to move onto $porks.
(I can picture James punching me in the face at the thought of implementing another vote/opinion style system XD)
Oh btw... I saw one quote..
| Michael Kontoudis wrote: | | - but he is wrong in assuming that to speak one's mind you have to be a jerk. |
I felt that was quite unwarranted, I re-read what i said through the previous pages and I can't see where you picked up that I assumed that to speak ones mind they have to be a jerk.
I wouldn't mind some clarification on that part as it makes me think you are putting words in my mouth.The only part I can see is if you misunderstood the meaning of the word 'circlejerk'.
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| Artificial Stupidity wrote: | Ah. It has been a long time since I posted or even lurked around these forums. This whole '+' and '-' -giving ( or "POSsing" and "NEGging", I assume? ) is completely new to me. A pretty nifty feature as far as I am concerned - as long as it doesn't become a popularity-tool or something people take too seriously. Nobody should be afraid of being 'negged', and as long as one gives his opinion in an articulate, polite manner, he should be allowed to say whatever he wishes.
I am not going to comment on this recent banning since I have no first-hand experience of the said poster. I have faith in the old-timers, though, and I do think that these mods of ours are intelligent and fair. Rock on, my old friends. |
HOLY CRAP, HAY AS! LONG TIME
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| A13x wrote: |
Nutcase flew to another country to kill the victim over an argument on an Advance Wars forum... |
yeah, sounds to me like a classic example of someone trying to argue that a colin/hachi combo on banker hills isn't totally cheap and broken.Which it is btw.
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| Zarnoss wrote: | Oh btw... I saw one quote..
| Michael Kontoudis wrote: | | - but he is wrong in assuming that to speak one's mind you have to be a jerk. |
I felt that was quite unwarranted, I re-read what i said through the previous pages and I can't see where you picked up that I assumed that to speak ones mind they have to be a jerk.
I wouldn't mind some clarification on that part as it makes me think you are putting words in my mouth.The only part I can see is if you misunderstood the meaning of the word 'circlejerk'. |
Forgive my lack of clarity, but I promise that this comment was not actually directed at you as an insult. It is with respect to another past forum member who was known for 'speaking his mind' when in actual fact what he did was act like a jerk most of the time and blatantly stir up nonsense.
I suppose I inferred it from the way you celebrated the member as a shining example of 'speaking one's mind'.
For the record I don't think you come across that way when you interact and speak your mind, Zarnoss.
EDIT: I re-read the thread and actually realised you never once suggested what I thought you suggested. Oops - I don't know where that came from, let's chalk it up to a lack of sleep. Sorry, Zarnoss, retracted.
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Don't worry Michael, I made the same assumptions as you.
I still think however its probable what he does want is more Ugh like flame wars though.
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