$poon changes

[cmdwedge]

[Gtpod]

It rather seems like this entire thing has sprung from that topic; if you have a problem with the conduct of one particular poster (mod or not surely, I see no difference), why not just PM them? No offence, but it really just seems like a rant/serious business to me; except #4, I think that one is a pretty damn good idea.
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[cmdwedge]

[Sinthesys]

I think serious business means you take the internet and what people say/do on it too seriously. Also, it did come off as a bit of a retaliatory rant. However, I think some good points were raised, particuarly bandwagon plussing/negging, although I don't think your solution actually fixes the problem, as it's human nature to see what others agree on as much more agreeable.
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[cmdwedge]

[Sinthesys]

[Karai Pantsu]

Negative response? That's a selective way of reading them...

Any negativity on my part is due to, as I said in my original post, your acting in one way and then suggesting we adopt rules against it. I'd be more willing to take you seriously on that matter if I hadn't noticed you acting out that way earlier today.
Also it's a little rich to single Theo out for negging in that thread when you've done the same thing...
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[ObsoletE]

i don't see anything wrong with negging those Puzzle Quest replies, for example, even the "having a laugh" post, i don't see what's so funny about it. imo, the only unwarranted neg in that thread, was from you, against Slapshackle defending the price.
even if his conversion was wrong (and, wrong in a manner beneficial to players/buyers, as he over-compensated the price) what is wrong with that post?

to specifically respond to your bulletpoints:
1) you don't seem to have a lot of faith in people here having their own tastes, or being resistant to sheep-like behaviour. quite often, there are non-mod/staff negs on a post before a mod enters into the equation. believe it or not, we aren't always logged on, and we aren't reading every post as they appear.

2) the whole point of the rep system was to cut down on "I Agree" and "You Suck!" posts. making people post reasons is counter-intuitive to this move.
we mods do occasionally question people about negs if we fail to see any reason for it, but usually the presence of a neg is pretty obvious.

3) i agree here. one thing we strive for here at PALGN is making it a place where all opinions are valid, provided they're well thought out and explained.
but, i guess it's human nature to get a little edgy when someone talks down something you like. it raises my hackles when someone dislikes Star Wars, but i'll try to hold off negging the opinion. i can't say it always works, but these cases are usually because of the way the opinion was presented, or for other things i object to in the post, rather than the opinion itself.

4) if i notice a new user being over spammy, speaking in 1337 or SMS speak, or just generally not getting it right (and this includes being welcomed by a mass of negs), i'll shoot them a Private Message welcoming them to the site, directing them to the rules and generally letting them know that their behaviour might be misconstrued, and let them know what we're about.
sometimes it works, others it doesn't.

(note: these responses are my own, and do not represent PALGN or it's staff/mods so please don't take this as an official stance on the matter.)
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[cmdwedge]

I think that the general response to my suggestions here is simply 'You are wrong'.

I'll stop watching the topic and just get on with my day. It's clear to me that the mods like the way it is, and don't want to change it. I'd probably feel the same way if it served my needs well too.

Thanks for your time.
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[ObsoletE]

you asked for feedback, and i gave it as best i could. i'm sorry that not all of it is inline with "serving (your) needs".
maybe i'm wrong in parts, i don't know, but what i posted above are my thoughts and opinions on the matters you raised. i am still interested in hearing other people's (specifically non-mods) thoughts on the points you raised.
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[Infested Jibbs]

See wedge that last response is begging for a neg.That's just poor form, you got an insightful and honest response at the speed of sound and your not happy simply because it's not a glowing endorsement of your recommendations.
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[RXWAG]

negged for the fact that jibbs is right, if you ask for someones honest opinion then when they give it, kick it back in there face what was the point of asking for it in the first place??

maybe the system isnt perfect and there will always be people who neg for the fun of it or neg becasue everyone else is doing it...but at the end of the day there is no need to get upset about it as its not a big deal at all...its a minus sign with a red square not the end of the world..

[Qbert]

[döppelgangbang]

I like to know when something I have written is being read or appreciated without the need for response. This for me is the crux of the +ing -ing function.

Plus for gooD posts, neg for bad.

I'll also dish out a positive for someone whose opinion I agree with (so long as the post isn't particularly poor etc) or if I like their taste.

By this logic, I don't see why someone else's opinion with which I grossly disagree can't cop a bit of negative feedback, even if the post dripping with the eloquence of rubies! This is not something I really do, well, because negging seems mean!
In this kind of scenario I'd probably respond directly anyway.

But negs DO have a pejorative effect and some of us are a little sensitive. And negging someone does feel mean. I guess this is the fly in the ointment. Can you disagree without being a bastard? Can you add to multiple negs without forming a mob? Sure, but it might not seem like that to the recipient.

Any system with simple rules is made chaotic when you add a social element. Suggestions 1 & 2 complicate this simplicity. This breeds anarchy! Mods aren't God. They are in these positions usually after proven dedication. I'd prefer to get a mod neg than a private spanking! (well, from some mods) As for suggestion 2 What? Now I have to respond before I can let *username* know that they're being a tool?

Suggestions 3 & 4 are great, but I've fond this community to be judicious beyond its years anyway. OK, its not perfect: if you find a better one... go there!

[Luke]

[Puddingfork]

[El Taco]

I knew earlier in teh thread I said it sucked (when I was a spammer) but now, after a year (pretty sure) I love it. It gives people an idea of their opinions on posts, and Spoons are given out fairly, not for posts in the Newest Purchases saying "LOL Thats cool".

/opinion
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[Cro]

^ Good to see the swing man.

I think the rep system put to rest any thoughts that there was an 'in' group within the community. While also showing certain people weren't ridiculed as much as they may have though previously.
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[Luke]

We're also done with this thread now, further discussion on the $poon system is not necessary.