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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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10 million PS3s?
That's a hell of a lot better than most people seem to make out considering the 360 is at 16-17 million worldwide after 2 years. Sony must have bade some good ground in the past 3-4 months.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Ships.
Doesn't mean there are 10 million in homes (it's about 8 million).
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that would include the free ones shipped with bravia, yeah?
i have seen a lot of those for sale..
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| mayo wrote: | Ships.
Doesn't mean there are 10 million in homes (it's about 8 million). |
This is what I don't understand. People are buying them, but for some reason there's this sentiment in certain circles that's very much anti-sony, despite the numbers showing that they're doing much better than MS did in their first year without any real competition.
Yes, they are Shipped numbers, the same Shipped to retailers numbers Microsoft release for the Xbox.
So, lets extrapolate your completely randomly made up claim of 8 million PS3s in homes as an industry average like so:
80% of shipped stock sold, 20% on store shelves stores.
Applied to the Xbox shipped figures you get 13.2 million Xbox 360s in homes, oh wait, with a 30% failure rate, that'd further reduce the number of working 360s in homes to 9.24 million, give or take half a million due to the reduced 10% failure rate of newer stock.
See, if you throw the numbers around enough, anything can be made to look bad.
Not that I'm against the 360. I have one too, but I'd prefer they have some healthy competition. The 360 has too many flaws, much like Vista, for me to honestly want Microsoft to dominate the commercial side of my favourite past-time.
I will however speak out against ignorant corperate fans.
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| Mojo wrote: | Launch + First year (Sold to stores):
PS3: 10.49 million
360: 10.4 million
Both are very close. |
you forgot:
returned for repair:
360: 2 million  
PS3: 1/8th of the 360s return rate at a maximum
No I'm not a Sony fanboy for the people who will neg this thinking I hate the 360. I love my 360 and play that the most.
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| Dracusis wrote: | | mayo wrote: | Ships.
Doesn't mean there are 10 million in homes (it's about 8 million). |
This is what I don't understand. People are buying them, but for some reason there's this sentiment in certain circles that's very much anti-sony, despite the numbers showing that they're doing much better than MS did in their first year without any real competition.
Yes, they are Shipped numbers, the same Shipped to retailers numbers Microsoft release for the Xbox.
So, lets extrapolate your completely randomly made up claim of 8 million PS3s in homes as an industry average like so:
80% of shipped stock sold, 20% on store shelves stores.
Applied to the Xbox shipped figures you get 13.2 million Xbox 360s in homes, oh wait, with a 30% failure rate, that'd further reduce the number of working 360s in homes to 9.24 million, give or take half a million due to the reduced 10% failure rate of newer stock.
See, if you throw the numbers around enough, anything can be made to look bad.
Not that I'm against the 360. I have one too, but I'd prefer they have some healthy competition. The 360 has too many flaws, much like Vista, for me to honestly want Microsoft to dominate the commercial side of my favourite past-time.
I will however speak out against ignorant corperate fans. |
Sigh.
Pretty sure I didn't completely make up the 8 million sold claim.
As for the rest of your ramble, I'm not going to bother replying as it seems to be an attack on 360 owners, and does not apply to me. But hey, good try.
Those darn ignorant corporate fans!
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Nextgen wars figures?
The ones that tick over in "real time" as you watch them but they claim they're sourced from stats released monthly or even less frequently. Heh, if that's accurate, I'm the pope.
Ooh, look, you added a pretty photo, a copyrighted photo leeched from another site, which not only breaks this site's TOS but istock's TOS as well, and violates both US and Australian copyright law. You're my hero.
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| Dracusis wrote: | Nextgen wars figures?
The ones that tick over in "real time" as you watch them but they claim they're sourced from stats released monthly or even less frequently. Heh, if that's accurate, I'm the pope.
Ooh, look, you added a pretty photo, a copyrighted photo leeched from another site, which not only breaks this site's TOS but istock's TOS as well, and violates both US and Australian copyright law. You're my hero. |
Erm.... right. Sweet burn, guy.
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EA very helpfully just released some European hardware sales data. They are estimates based on the local trackers, but likely to be very close to reality given they are being released by such a major publisher for their investors. Adding their 06 and 07 figures together gives us a European life to date to December 31st 2007 of 5.5 million for Wii, 3.9 million for 360 and 2.8 million for PS3.
One slight problem is that the figures do not count any 360s sold in Europe in 2005, and while there weren't many (only a couple of hundred thousand), it is worth noting. EDIT: I found the shipped numbers for Europe in 05, and they were 500k, and applied the same discrepancy of shipped/sold MS reported in the US (which was 900k/<700k), so came up with a ~350k figure.
Here's what we have for sales at the end of 07:
PS3
USA: 3,249,800 (NPD to December 07)
Canada: 310,500 (NPD to December 07)
Japan: 1,705,859 (Media Create to 6 Jan 08)
Europe: ~2.8 million
Australia: 150,000 (GFK Australia)
Total: 8.216 million sold worldwide to the end of 2007.
360
USA: 9,124,800 (NPD to December 07)
Canada: 669,300 (NPD to December 07, lacks Dec 05):
Japan: 517,104 (Media Create to 6 Jan 08)
Europe 06/07: ~3.9 million
Europe 05: ~350,000 (EA figures)
Australia: 300,000 (GFK Australia)
Total: 14.86 million sold worldwide to the end of 2007.
Wii
USA: 7,369,400 (NPD to December 07)
Canada: 651,000 (NPD to December 07)
Japan: 4,823,957 (Media Create to 6 Jan 08)
Europe: ~5.5 million
Australia: 300,000 (GFK Australia)
Total: 18.64 million sold worldwide to the end of 2007.
Only thing I can think of to change this is that Nintendo announced 6 million in Europe which would bring its total to 19.14 million, and most figures are already out of date obviously, particularly Japanese since we already have January 08 figures.
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| mayo wrote: | | Dracusis wrote: | | mayo wrote: | Ships.
Doesn't mean there are 10 million in homes (it's about 8 million). |
This is what I don't understand. People are buying them, but for some reason there's this sentiment in certain circles that's very much anti-sony, despite the numbers showing that they're doing much better than MS did in their first year without any real competition.
Yes, they are Shipped numbers, the same Shipped to retailers numbers Microsoft release for the Xbox.
So, lets extrapolate your completely randomly made up claim of 8 million PS3s in homes as an industry average like so:
80% of shipped stock sold, 20% on store shelves stores.
Applied to the Xbox shipped figures you get 13.2 million Xbox 360s in homes, oh wait, with a 30% failure rate, that'd further reduce the number of working 360s in homes to 9.24 million, give or take half a million due to the reduced 10% failure rate of newer stock.
See, if you throw the numbers around enough, anything can be made to look bad.
Not that I'm against the 360. I have one too, but I'd prefer they have some healthy competition. The 360 has too many flaws, much like Vista, for me to honestly want Microsoft to dominate the commercial side of my favourite past-time.
I will however speak out against ignorant corperate fans. |
Sigh.
Pretty sure I didn't completely make up the 8 million sold claim.
As for the rest of your ramble, I'm not going to bother replying as it seems to be an attack on 360 owners, and does not apply to me. But hey, good try.
Those darn ignorant corporate fans! |
I don't think it was an attack on 360 owners, but more or less an example of how badly you can spin something if you're against it.
Sony gets a TON of flak for no realistic reason aside from shooting themselves in the foot a few times. They're doing well for their first year, especially at the price point they have.
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At least they are now profitable.
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| Frozencry wrote: | | mayo wrote: | | Dracusis wrote: | | mayo wrote: | Ships.
Doesn't mean there are 10 million in homes (it's about 8 million). |
This is what I don't understand. People are buying them, but for some reason there's this sentiment in certain circles that's very much anti-sony, despite the numbers showing that they're doing much better than MS did in their first year without any real competition.
Yes, they are Shipped numbers, the same Shipped to retailers numbers Microsoft release for the Xbox.
So, lets extrapolate your completely randomly made up claim of 8 million PS3s in homes as an industry average like so:
80% of shipped stock sold, 20% on store shelves stores.
Applied to the Xbox shipped figures you get 13.2 million Xbox 360s in homes, oh wait, with a 30% failure rate, that'd further reduce the number of working 360s in homes to 9.24 million, give or take half a million due to the reduced 10% failure rate of newer stock.
See, if you throw the numbers around enough, anything can be made to look bad.
Not that I'm against the 360. I have one too, but I'd prefer they have some healthy competition. The 360 has too many flaws, much like Vista, for me to honestly want Microsoft to dominate the commercial side of my favourite past-time.
I will however speak out against ignorant corperate fans. |
Sigh.
Pretty sure I didn't completely make up the 8 million sold claim.
As for the rest of your ramble, I'm not going to bother replying as it seems to be an attack on 360 owners, and does not apply to me. But hey, good try.
Those darn ignorant corporate fans! |
I don't think it was an attack on 360 owners, but more or less an example of how badly you can spin something if you're against it.
Sony gets a TON of flak for no realistic reason aside from shooting themselves in the foot a few times. They're doing well for their first year, especially at the price point they have. |
Spin? All I did was point out that they haven't sold as many as they've shipped... I'm not against the PS3 or anything. You guys are getting all defensive for no reason, and it's pretty sad.
(Also, thanks to David for doing the research and pointing out that my 8 million sold statement wasn't completely randomly made up and actually pretty accurate!)
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^I wasn't attacking you and was more or less referring to Dracusis' post, but hey whatever.
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