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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: PALGN's Top Ten of Last Gen - staff picks Reply with quote

PALGN's Top Ten of Last Gen - staff picks by David
PALGN Feature: We select what we think were the best games on the last generation of consoles.
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Even though Im highly a fan of Nintendo, I think this list is a bit more deserving (Even thought its opinions).

Great to see Star Wars up there, love those games.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh thank god at least one of the lists had KOTOR in it. Massive love to whichever staff voted for it.
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so what do we have different?

Common:
Half-Life 2
Metroid Prime
Resident Evil 4
Shadow of the Colossus
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

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Metal Gear Solid 3
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time
Shenmue 2
Knights of the Old Republic
Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike

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Final Fantasy X
God of War
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Halo: CE
Super Smash Brothers Melee

both good lists, and i can't fault those 5 games common to both. the other 5, however, are quite hit and miss. there are some i think should definitely have been on the list, and some i don't agree with at all - but i concede this is more from a personal taste perspective.

games like KOTOR, POP, GOW, SF3, GTASA and Halo all deserve to be on the list for being essentially the benchmark for their respective genres, personal preference would keep me personally from voting on some of those, but all in all, every self respecting gamer should have at least 10 of these 15 games on their shelves.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh thank god at least one of the lists had KOTOR in it. Massive love to whichever staff voted for it.

Seconded, same goes for MGS3.
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Shenmue 2 well deserved, but Shenmue I felt was much better.
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Very, very happy to see PoP there.

ObsoletE wrote:

games like KOTOR, POP, GOW, SF3, GTASA and Halo all deserve to be on the list for being essentially the benchmark for their respective genres, personal preference would keep me personally from voting on some of those, but all in all, every self respecting gamer should have at least 10 of these 15 games on their shelves.


Halo is the benchmark of mediocrity. HL2 is the FPS benchmark.

And I only own or have played 9 of those, I guess I'm a self-loathing gamer.
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well, technically i class Halo as a different genre to Half-Life 2 anyway - "console FPS" versus "pure FPS". and for the record, Halo would've fallen into one of those "personal preference that kept me from voting it in" too, but you can't deny that it helped the Console FPS genre out of the dark ages.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have to say over all I would agree with this list much more than our users list.

Shenmue II is frustrating that it will remain unresolved, something that I can't enjoy from what is essentially a stroy. The fact you need 2 seperate consoles (and in fact 3 should the next game ever be made) also dissapoints. Still life suffers from the same problem, and is just as frustrating (website revealing the ending has long been taken down with no mirrors easily found). For now I'll accept Farenhiet as a spirtual sequal.

But none the less, taken for what it is (as opposed to what it could/should be) I can't complain with its addition here.

And yes, SW:KotOR is a better RPG then FFX (in my opinion)
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A much better list than the User one, well done.

As for Shenmue II, you can play it on Dreamcast and it is a fantastic game, especially with Japanese voiceovers. The Xbox version is really good too, it has better graphics except it suffers from that blurring issue.

I really would love for Sega to finish the series on Xbox 360 and PS3, if they went multiplatform with the title it would sell well in my opinion and for good measure they could whack Shenmue I and II on the disc too in 16:9 and 1080p icon_smile.gif yes i'm a Sega fanboy let me dream! ^_^

KotoR also was a far better choice than FFX, which I felt while was a good RPG was pretty run of the mill and not the best RPG of last generation.
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I agree its better but I still don't fully agree, also some of them I have not played :/
nice to see RE4 and HL2 though, even if it is really just expected
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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but all in all, every self respecting gamer should have at least 10 of these 15 games on their shelves.


I have 1 out of both of those lists. SSBM. icon_redface.gif
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Interesting to see "Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike " in there with a release date of 1998?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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The inclusion of Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike also has me wondering exactly how much pull David has around here! icon_wink.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: Reply with quote

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The inclusion of Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike also has me wondering exactly how much pull David has around here! icon_wink.gif

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I don't think SFIII should be above Virtua Figher 4 IMO or even Soul Cal on the DC. Great game though.

And Shenmue 2 while good, certainly was not anywhere as good as the first.
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I think Shenmue is quite possibly the most boring game ever created.
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I definitely agree on Shenmue 2 being on the list as that was one of my most memorable gaming experiences.
I think the people that didn't like it or 'get' it either have ADD or aren't patient enough to take their time to wander around absorbing all that the game had to offer.When you left hong kong in the game I was utterly blown away and the 3rd part of the game was just sublime to me as it was like being immersed totally in the story of this Ryo guy's adventures.Man the end pissed me off hard though as it finished with an absolutely massive cliffhanger which to this day still leaves me wanting to see what the 'F' happens after that bit.

Shenmue 1 although good was no-where near the scale of Shenmue 2 in size and story length and was far too shart for my liking.

That list seems pretty good, except for MGS3 which I found very 'samey' to the previous incarnations which I was already pretty tired of after playing through MGS2.I can see how people like the story in it but to me it was just waaay to long winded and the endless jabber forced me to skip the stuff as I wanted to mainly get back to the job at hand.Especially when they pop up so frequently.
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I don't feel MGS3 is a good inclusion in this list. Is it a good game? Undoubtedly. But hasn't been influential, it hasn't been memorable, and it hasn't permeated the collective gamer consciousness in any way.

And KOTOR? Not while Baldur's Gate 2 is eligible. The former is a good game, but it's still narratively the weakest of the great Bioware RPGs. It wouldn't have even gotten an honourable mention if not for the fact that it was released on a console...
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BG2 is a sequel that's in no way friendly to newcomers. It was more of an expansion with a full price tag. You'd need to look at BG1, which is a little too old for this list IMHO.

KOTOR was a fantastic game on the PC in the midst of D&D heavy fantasy games, none of which were terribly non-RPG fan friendly and for that I think it deserves everything it gets.
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A much better list than the User one

Quoted for truth.

I haven't played MGS3 or Shenmue 2. I think perhaps Soul Calibur would have been a better "last gen" choice than SF3TS. Some might make an argument for Beyond Good & Evil to be in Zelda's place, but going by the user list they'd definitely be in the minority. Otherwise, I can't think of much else that should be up there.
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Interesting to see "Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike " in there with a release date of 1998?
Sorry my mistake, it was early 1999 in the arcade.
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It was more of an expansion with a full price tag.

...I'm sorry, did you just call a 200 hour game an expansion?
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Good list, especially glad to see Shenmue 2 there.

What's missing? Ninja Gaiden.

Also, it's better to do these kinds of lists by system, and have 2-3 per.
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good list. Think the only one of them i haven't played in Shenmue 2.
Not so sure about wind waker. Its a great game and all, but it did get really tiring towards the end.
Kinda wish silent hill 2 had appeared on the list. I hear people complain about the controls sometimes, but i could never see what was wroung with them.
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