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Jeremy
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 Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: Halo 3 Review |
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| Halo 3 Review by Jeremy |  | | 360 Review: Final verdict. | | [View Article] |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Nice review Jeremy. Perfect primer for those going to a midnight launch tonight or picking it up sometime tomorrow.
Its funny, the review seems to hint that it isn't that great, then it gets a nice score.
Obviously deserved though.
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Nice review. I'm looking to forward to seeing if I agree with you.
Having not played this and only going off reviews, it seems the sheer amount of content shipping in this game is amazing. If it were a single player game alone, I could see the warrented negatives (aka Heveanly Sword just released on the PS3). But what bungie are giving us is amazing.
Can't wait till midnight 
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Great review!
Its good to see PALGN getting games early and on time for the release.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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The review is pretty spot-on.
The single player has some excellently epic scenarios, and is much better than the campaigns in the previous HALO games.
However, it really isn't anything amazing especially having just beaten Bioshock, which is infinitely more...well...interesting.
That fact, and the fact that there is a segment at the end of the game which is just plain AWFUL (trust me, you will know it when you play it), means that HALO 3 is basically 'just' a very good first person shooter.
Well worth playing, but nothing to get in a frenzy over.
P.S - Oh, one more thing, the music simply ROCKS! When the Halo music theme kicks in, it's simply awesome. Truly the best part!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'm confused whether I should pass on this game or not. Having played the other ones, and I'm not too much into Halo.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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If you didn't much like Halo or Halo 2, you will not like Halo 3.
It is literally MORE of the SAME, but slightly better, slightly prettier.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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If you like multi-player get it
but if you didn't like the single player in the other games and thats all you would play, then probably don't bother, or wait till its cheaper
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: So the campaign isn't a big leap? |
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I was hoping that the campaign would have been a big leap over Halo and Halo 2. The world of FPSes has moved on a lot since 2001.
After playing Half Life 2, Gears of War and BioShock, I went back and played the first two Halo games again recently. I remembered them being fairly simple, but I had forgotten how simple they were. I didn't finish re-playing through either.
I was hoping that this iteration of the series would at least borrow some of the innovations in FPS gaming that have come about since 2001, but it looks like it's still the basic Halo gameplay. Which is what a lot of fans want, but doesn't entice me. I just can't get excited about what is essentially just a few more levels and a graphical upgrade.
I'm not really unhappy about the game... it will make a lot of people very happy. But I really want to see what Bungie can do when they try to create a modern FPS.
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| sidzed2 wrote: | | That fact, and the fact that there is a segment at the end of the game which is just plain AWFUL (trust me, you will know it when you play it), means that HALO 3 is basically 'just' a very good first person shooter. |
I'm VERY curious which part you thought was awful? Could you hide it or PM me? I've been through the whole thing and honestly can't think of ONE thing that would be considered awful compared to the rest of the game/series. I can take one stab at the dark as to what it is but if it's that... should have been used to it by now.
POSSIBLE SPOILERS (especially if you're pedantic):
Edit to add my thoughts on the review/game. Good review and as far as the game goes the campaign is the best Halo campaign yet. The levels are WAY better thought out: more to do, more to see, better designs, etc. This is no Halo1 hallway crawl with repeating scenery at all. The gameplay is very tight and every new addition (new weapons, new vehicles) are ALL good and worth adding. While the enemies are mainly the same some of the returning cast are much less annoying and better designed.
The friendly AI is absolutely stupid and more hurtful than helpful half the time (especially when they steal your damn vehicles!) but luckily they are hardly around (or dead before they can get in the way too much) so that's not such a big deal. The length is by far the biggest shortcoming for me. Bioshock was so long, even Gears of War is longer, it's just a shame we can't have more. Having said all that - it's still the best Halo campaign experience yet. Cannot WAIT to grab my Legendary copy tomorrow morning!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| puddingfork wrote: | How do you know they will try create a modern FPS?
I would rather see them continue with Sci-fi |
By "modern FPS", I mean something with deeper gameplay. Something that takes after the Half-Life or System Shock style of play, rather than the Doom style of play.
I'd consider Half-Life 2, BioShock, and (to some extent) Gears to be modern FPSes. They incorporate intricate puzzle solving, deeper gameplay, and a much more complex story.
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| puddingfork wrote: | How do you know they will try create a modern FPS?
I would rather see them continue with Sci-fi |
I think he means 'modern' in regards to the gameplay innovation, not the actual context/setting of the game.
| ppjim3 wrote: | | sidzed2 wrote: | | That fact, and the fact that there is a segment at the end of the game which is just plain AWFUL (trust me, you will know it when you play it), means that HALO 3 is basically 'just' a very good first person shooter. |
I'm VERY curious which part you thought was awful? Could you hide it or PM me? I've been through the whole thing and honestly can't think of ONE thing that would be considered awful compared to the rest of the game/series. I can take one stab at the dark as to what it is but if it's that... should have been used to it by now. |
NO SPOILERS - but I despised the first part of the game's final mission. It is basically just ridiculously frustrating and graphically ugly. And yes, I think you know which part I mean, and I know I should be used to it by now, but I still thought it was a lowpoint.
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Ahh I understand now, and also agree to some extent
Its not like I want them to stop making these style games I just think we don't need so many, and the ones they do make should be close to perfection (by the sounds of it, Halo 3 will easily meet my standards in Multiplayer which is what I love these games for) because they are simpler to make.
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| sidzed2 wrote: | If you didn't much like Halo or Halo 2, you will not like Halo 3.
It is literally MORE of the SAME, but slightly better, slightly prettier. |
Then def not getting it all. Thanks. I'll buy Half life 2 instead.
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| sidzed2 wrote: | If you didn't much like Halo or Halo 2, you will not like Halo 3.
It is literally MORE of the SAME, but slightly better, slightly prettier. |
I would call that a flop
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Im on my war to pick up the game right.........................now
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| sidzed2 wrote: | | NO SPOILERS - but I despised the first part of the game's final mission. It is basically just ridiculously frustrating and graphically ugly. And yes, I think you know which part I mean, and I know I should be used to it by now, but I still thought it was a lowpoint. |
SPOILERS:
I think they did it better than HALO and HALO2 - a lot better in fact - and it's for one simple reason: The little ones don't try and attack you nearly as much, if at all! The larger ones are the same (but much better designed graphically) by being powerful, fast and annoying, however the little ones were always the worst as far as I'm concerned and they just seemed to not be bothered with you 90% of the time which means the shotgun was your best friend.
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| puddingfork wrote: | | by the sounds of it, Halo 3 will easily meet my standards in Multiplayer which is what I love these games for |
Yeah. That's the thing. Halo 3's multiplayer and community features sound great, but it's the single-player campaign that interests me. I don't have enough spare time for much online gaming anymore. 
Halo and Halo 2 had good single-player campaigns for their time. Their vehicle physics were fairly innovative, and they finally brought a polished PC-style FPS to the console world. However, things have moved on, and the standards for single-player FPSes have increased dramatically since then.
Halo 3's campaign sounds like it is a fantastic a warm-up for the multiplayer component, and I'll probably buy the game when it's cheaper just to see how it all ends. But I was really hoping they would go all-out on the single-player campaign, rather than just focusing on the multiplayer aspect.
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| renegadesx wrote: | | sidzed2 wrote: | If you didn't much like Halo or Halo 2, you will not like Halo 3.
It is literally MORE of the SAME, but slightly better, slightly prettier. |
I would call that a flop |
Aw, I definitely don't think it is a flop of a game; it just doesn't achieve stunning heights - nonetheless, it is a supremely playable game and gets alot right in terms of making you feel like you are a cog in a massive, epic war. Plus, the music is amazing and the controls are perfect.
It's just that I played it right after playing Halo 2, and I swear some of the textures and weapon models look exactly the same but in HD.
I'm not a graphics whore, but I mean, Perfect Dark Zero had infinitely better weapon models than Halo 3, which is kinda weird when you consider that you arestaring at the damn guns the entire time!
Basically if you in any way enjoyed Halo or Halo 2 you will enjoy Halo 3. But it definitely isn't winning any converts.
I think, in terms of single player experiences (my focus), Bioshock is the more interesting and compelling game.
SPOILERS:
I think they did it better than HALO and HALO2 - a lot better in fact - and it's for one simple reason: The little ones don't try and attack you nearly as much, if at all! The larger ones are the same (but much better designed graphically) by being powerful, fast and annoying, however the little ones were always the worst as far as I'm concerned and they just seemed to not be bothered with you 90% of the time which means the shotgun was your best friend.[/quote]
Oh I definitely agree with you that it was done better, but the sad fact remains that as soon as these 'parts' occurred, I would sigh and groan because I don't find these segments any fun at all. Especially the climactic one, which is just a stupid gauntlet run which is sort of luck-dependent; sometimes they don't want to attack you, other times they have perfect aim even when you're sigzagging or jumping or whatnot. Yuck.
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Guys, put your spoilers inside a quote tag so they're white-on-white, not white-on-grey, which is still slightly readable, especially for picking up random words while moving your eyes past. Not that I personally care in this topic, but won't someone please think of the children?
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| SPOILORZ wrote: | | halo am teh sux!111oneone1 |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Holy crap, I just played through the first level. I wasn't expecting the graphics to look so hot. The opening cutscene is jaw dropping. Why is everybody complaining? The animation of the enemies is great.
Played some games online. Having not played the beta I'm stuck how smooth and tight it is.
Wow, I think I am really going to enjoy this game. I'm totally blown away as I wasn't expecting everything to be this good.
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| LeonJ wrote: | Holy crap, I just played through the first level. I wasn't expecting the graphics to look so hot. The opening cutscene is jaw dropping. Why is everybody complaining? The animation of the enemies is great.
Played some games online. Having not played the beta I'm stuck how smooth and tight it is.
Wow, I think I am really going to enjoy this game. I'm totally blown away as I wasn't expecting everything to be this good. |
I agree wholeheartedly. I found the game to be immersive, exciting and epic beyond any other game I've ever played. I'll admit that the friendly AI was somewhat dissapointing, but other then that I fail to see where all the other negative feelings are coming from.
Personally, I think people like to be anti-Halo because it's so popular. If I had $1 for every time I've heard it called 'just another generic sci-fi shooter' I'd be richer then Bill Gates...
Halo is never going to be Gears of War or Half Life 2, those games have their own style. Halo has it's own style. You can't expect Bungie to change that completly because they don't want to be just another sci-fi shooter.
But I must say, in a totally happy and bemused way (ie. I'm saying this with a smile on my face, not flaming someone) that I've never read a review that's given something such criticism and yet still scored it 9/10.
If you ask me, I think Halo has set itself a much higher goal to live up to then most other games.
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eh, ill just wait for Killzone.
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