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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Virtual Console review round-up: N64 Reply with quote

Virtual Console review round-up: N64 by David
Wii Feature: Updated to cover releases to 23rd November 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was expecting 6/6 for yes. Mario Kart 64 deserves a yes! You dissapoint me David, and I'm afraid I have to give you "F", sorry. icon_smile.gif
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Ahh... my favourite console, had so many good times with the 64, still my most played console, even today.

Should have been all yesses though, as if you'd give Mario Kart 64 a maybe icon_razz.gif, thats practically the game with my most play-time ever.

Can't wait to get my Wii online and re-live old games I might have sold, or awesome ones that I missed out on playing when I was 7 or 8. Great idea the Virtual Console.

Oh, and awesome review too David, doing a great job with all of these round-ups.

Edit: Seems like me and Joejoe agree that you made a BIG mistake icon_razz.gif.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nice article David.

Riddle me this - Does OoT run at the same speeed as the NTSC counterpart and is indeed the WW bonus emulation speed up?
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I actaully agree with you on Mario Kart 64. I supose for 1000 points it's OK value, but you'd be much better of buying Mario Kart DS for $50 which is an improvemnt upon 64 in many way.
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Mario Kart 64 is OK, but the DS verison is much surperior I agree. You'd be better putting your $15 towards Mario Kart Wii come early next year.

The rest are pretty much must-buys in the N64 kingdom. I'm hanging out for Zelda:MM.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mario Kart 64 is OK, but the DS verison is much surperior I agree. You'd be better putting your $15 towards Mario Kart Wii come early next year.

The rest are pretty much must-buys in the N64 kingdom. I'm hanging out for Zelda:MM.


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The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
It one my priorities at the moment and most wanted game to come onto the Virtual Console.
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Paper Mario easily the best N64 game on VC, mainly because hardly anyone played it, and now it's so easy to experience this gem of a game for a mere $15! icon_biggrin.gif
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I give this my thumbs up, especially with the careful wording you used David, making sure you didn't actually say mario kart 64 was a 'maybe' buy because of the game itself, rather some conversion issues.

Cause if you said Mario Kart 64 wasn't the best of the series, well........obviously, i'd have to kill you and your dog in your sleep.

Nice write up again though, seems most of the 64 conversions were pretty spot on, not all ocer the shop like nes ports.
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The 64 games hold some of the best memorys for me, lots of my most loved games are from the 64 for. One of the things that i don't like about the VC is the fact that they aren't bring out enough of the 64 games.

Oh well... hopefully there will be more to come soon
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I was so disappointed with myself after downloading Oot then not even going on to the second temple, especially after saying for so long it's my favourite game evar.

I've still got 2500 points so I might pick up a few 64 games, I never played Paper Mario or F-Zero.
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I never played Paper Mario before the VC release either as it was hard as hell to come by (and cost an arm and a leg if you finally found a copy), but can honestly say this is the cream on the Virtual Console cake.
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all the 64 VC games are awesome. i bought them all.. even though its relatively cheap per game, still adds up tho.

..just need golden eye to top it off.. add an online multi-player function golden eye... and release super mario rpg for VC.. and i will never bad mouth nintendo again no matter how much they screw me..
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..just need golden eye to top it off.. add an online multi-player function golden eye... and release super mario rpg for VC.. and i will never bad mouth nintendo again no matter how much they screw me..


So true, Golden Eye is the game that i spent most of my time on the 64 playing... it has been my favourite shooter that i have ever played. However i don't see it coming out since M$ owns Rare icon_sad.gif
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Excellent article as usual David.

The thing is with Goldeneye guys, is that we all enjoyed it so much..but if we got it on the Virtual Console, if we were to relive it, would it lose some of its charm, seeming so dated nowadays?

Its a classic none-the-less, but i'm just not sure how it'd hold up with the times, its been so long since I've played.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David wrote:
Some people argued for years that Super Mario Kart was the better game

because it is. icon_wink.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Dash wrote:
Excellent article as usual David.

The thing is with Goldeneye guys, is that we all enjoyed it so much..but if we got it on the Virtual Console, if we were to relive it, would it lose some of its charm, seeming so dated nowadays?

Its a classic none-the-less, but i'm just not sure how it'd hold up with the times, its been so long since I've played.


I played Goldeneye again a few years back, and I think it still holds up. Especially 4-player multiplayer. The N64 was built with four players in mind and it delivered so many classic 4-player games. People can say online has surpassed close encounters with the multiplayer kind, true in some sense, but nothing can beat beating the crap out of a friend on the N64. I say N64 because even though generations have past, we still get offline 4 player games, the N64 is still the king of multiplayer. I said this before and I'll say it again, the N64 is one word - classic.
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One of the only N64 games I can still play are Lylat Wars and Mario 64....the rest don't feel very good to me.....especially Mario Kart 64 and Goldeneye....and it's not because those games are crap....but it's because driving games and 1st person shooters have advanced so much nowadays imo....e.g. the techniques used to run these games have changed quite a lot in comparison to a platformer e.g scrolling scenery, aiming etc.

I remember absolutely loving 1080 and I played it a couple of weeks ago and I swear to god it was running at like 10fps and i was like...."where are the moves dammit?!?" when I remember there being heaps.

Anyways....N64 was also some of the best gaming moments i've ever had and most of that was due to Mario 64, Lylat Wars, Turok: The Dinosaur Hunter, Banjoe Kazooie and Diddy Kong Racing. Only those games...I played most of the others (including Goldeneye, Mario 64, Oot....etc) but those I listed were the ones that stuck out for me.

Another awesome article David.
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You are letting advanced technology warp your mind. You are making them ruin your experience just because you want more out of the game.

Don't take it as an attack, I just don't know why so many people think N64 games have aged badly (other then then graphics). Technology is a drug to some, I guess.
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I can stand poor graphics, no sweat.

It's when the fp jitters, that's wheh it hurts to play.Go plat stunt race FX for the snes, it is impossible to play now.Not cause the graphics are a bit old with blocky quais 3d vectors and such, it's because it plays like a slide show.
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You are letting advanced technology warp your mind. You are making them ruin your experience just because you want more out of the game.

Don't take it as an attack, I just don't know why so many people think N64 games have aged badly (other then then graphics). Technology is a drug to some, I guess.


You really don't know what you're talking about when you make comments like these....my mind isn't warped....it's like going from broadband back to dial-up....it's not that my mind is warped and fooling me into thinking broadband is faster, fact is it is actually faster!

So it's got nothing to do with the quality of the game....because at the time the game was made it was ALL quality but a lot of those things have been suprassed now and these are very obvious for me because I only play the latest stuff. It's like me going back to watching movies on a VCR or using an RF connection....at the time it was fine but it just doesn't compare now.

Also like Jibbs has said a lot of it is to do with techniques, frame rates and controls etc. Just because a game looked and ran smooth at 25fps back in the day compared to the other 10fps games doesn't mean it'll hold up compared to a 60fps game today. Also I just cannot stand having to press up, down, left or right on buttons to look around....i've gotten too used to joystick look.
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Meh, Goldeneye was archaic when it was released, I can't imagine why any of that would change later on down the track.

Mario Kart 64 is still fun to pull out because the basic mechanics of any racing game are still there, sure the speed isn't up to scratch but having four people throwing shells at one another is all kinds of awesome.

I can understand why people would dislike the titles now as they are, quite simply, not as exciting any more.
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I think it'd do Goldeneye more justice for me, personally, if my fond memories of it were just that - memories.
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I couldn't go back and play FPS. They don't age well at all.
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Nintendo really have chosen well with the few 64 games they have released so far. I wouldn't recommend Mario Kart 64, due to the fact that the DS one is superior and we still have the Wii one on the way.

I have Double Dash, MKDS, F-Zero-GX, OoT:Master Quest and Mario 64DS so some of these games I don't need.

Forking out $30 for Lylat Wars and Paper Mario? Thats worth it.
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