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| August Roundtable by Tristan |  | | PALGN Feature: Gaming - The moral of the story | | [View Article] |
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Well it seems certain that some games have been involved in real life violence, that's not to say the game is to blame but I'm yet to see a game inspire any violence as the Hi-Fi Murders inspired by the Dirty Harry film Magnum Force.
| Jeremy wrote: | | That is, there are simply too many people that still believe that gaming is simply for kids. Given that the your average gamer is now in their early-to-mid twenties, you'd think that this would at least be close to being dispelled. |
| Neville wrote: | | So we turn our minds back to video games and the inevitable conclusion - society still views games as "toys" that are marketed to, sold to and bought for children. It's symptomatic of a generation that didn't grow up with the medium and fails to understand it. We can only hope that this stigma is gradually reduced, and that the misconceptions regarding games become more and more clearly the myths that they are. |
Even though many games are quite mature in content and themes already I think people have found a new was to accuse of them of being a childish pursuit. The idea that society is increasingly being infantilised by kidadults; boys who don't grow up into men, adults who read Harry Potter, watch anime, read manga, teenagers who watch Telly Tubbies and Bananas in Pyjamas has become an increasingly popular and frequent story in mainstream media. Mainstream media is mostly read by baby boomers who of course love nothing more than to tsk tsk and express shame towards younger generations. The same people who watch Today Tonight and a Current Affair  In fact in today's Sun Herald they talk about men who like to "spend hours playing with their Wiis". Is society being infantilised? Is that even a bad thing? Such questions are probably beyond the scope of this discussion but I like to think our generation is the wisest, most media savy and tolerant generation yet. Indeed I believe that is the goal of humanity to raise your children better than you yourself were. Young people get such a rough time in the media it really bugs me. I think the Australia we'll live in the next 20 years will be a very different and far less conservative one once the students of today get their power and you can bet games will be treated better too 
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Those quotes don't appear to be working Kaboth 
EDIT Now they do ... damn you make me look foolish 
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Hehe I infantilised you borgster 
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Do they have a responsibility to impart moral wisdom on their audiences? |
Not anymore than any other medium. Not every single movie has a moral at the end, so why should all games have to have one?
That's why the rating system is there: to prevent younger people being able to access material that is inappropriate for them.
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| Kaboth wrote: | Well it seems certain that some games have been involved in real life violence, that's not to say the game is to blame but I'm yet to see a game inspire any violence as the Hi-Fi Murders inspired by the Dirty Harry film Magnum Force.
| Jeremy wrote: | | That is, there are simply too many people that still believe that gaming is simply for kids. Given that the your average gamer is now in their early-to-mid twenties, you'd think that this would at least be close to being dispelled. |
| Neville wrote: | | So we turn our minds back to video games and the inevitable conclusion - society still views games as "toys" that are marketed to, sold to and bought for children. It's symptomatic of a generation that didn't grow up with the medium and fails to understand it. We can only hope that this stigma is gradually reduced, and that the misconceptions regarding games become more and more clearly the myths that they are. |
Even though many games are quite mature in content and themes already I think people have found a new was to accuse of them of being a childish pursuit. The idea that society is increasingly being infantilised by kidadults; boys who don't grow up into men, adults who read Harry Potter, watch anime, read manga, teenagers who watch Telly Tubbies and Bananas in Pyjamas has become an increasingly popular and frequent story in mainstream media. Mainstream media is mostly read by baby boomers who of course love nothing more than to tsk tsk and express shame towards younger generations. The same people who watch Today Tonight and a Current Affair In fact in today's Sun Herald they talk about men who like to "spend hours playing with their Wiis". Is society being infantilised? Is that even a bad thing? Such questions are probably beyond the scope of this discussion but I like to think our generation is the wisest, most media savy and tolerant generation yet. Indeed I believe that is the goal of humanity to raise your children better than you yourself were. Young people get such a rough time in the media it really bugs me. I think the Australia we'll live in the next 20 years will be a very different and far less conservative one once the students of today get their power and you can bet games will be treated better too |
QFT. I reckon that once the current generation has come to power, and is running society, and has their own kids, gaming will be more than a pastime.
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Yeah once our generation grows up with our pacifist tendencies we may very well decide to wage war via Starcraft 2
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I don't think we should be writing off the older generations so quickly. Media and Sociey as a whole have been saying that to grow old is to be unhealthy and not worthy of anyone's attention. Once you hit 40 you are written off by the Media and Society.
I know that has nothing to do with the topic but I don't think of the older generation as people who need to put up and shut up and die quickly so the younger generation can take over.....and then become older and have the next generation treat them the same.
Okay back on topic:
I think that it all comes down to choice. You are in a video game store and your objective is to buy a game. Firstly you need to know which game you want. Once that choice is made you can then take the game home with you and play it.
Once you have played it and you go out and kill someone, you have made a choice. Sure you may have been influenced by the game, but at all points between playing the game and committing the murder you've had a choice to either go ahead with it or not.
Buying violent games for ourselves as people older than 15 is our choice. What we do after playing is up to us. Buying violent games for your five year old brother is a choice you have made and you will have to bear the consequences of that choice, if your brother goes and stabs his classmate in Kindergarten with a pencil.
Discretion, Discernment and not being Ignorant is key. I find many to be lacking these three.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| rodvcpetrie wrote: | | Once you have played it and you go out and kill someone, you have made a choice. Sure you may have been influenced by the game, but at all points between playing the game and committing the murder you've had a choice to either go ahead with it or not. |
I think the point is that normal people able to discern the difference between a game and the real world and those that can't (i.e. kids) have the rating system to prevent them from playing inappropriate games. Anyone who goes on a killing spree because of a game is a complete nutter, and probably shouldn't have been playing games in the first place.
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| Neville wrote: | | So we turn our minds back to video games and the inevitable conclusion - society still views games as "toys" that are marketed to, sold to and bought for children. It's symptomatic of a generation that didn't grow up with the medium and fails to understand it. We can only hope that this stigma is gradually reduced, and that the misconceptions regarding games become more and more clearly the myths that they are. |
I was attempting to address this very issue with the creation of my signature. I must assert that I'm not adverse to blue skies in games, however, the enduring success of the painfully perky plumber has substantially contributed to gaming being regarded a juvenile pastime.
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