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| admeister wrote: | | He (Snape) was a double agent all along, and you even hear him confess to Malfoy that it's all an act. |
sure, but who for?
why couldn't his "confession" be as much an act against the death eaters as the other way?
(by the way, i'm sure this is all purposely ambiguous to incite these very discussions.  )
given that the parcel-mouth/scar thing with Voldey and HP was such a big part of the Chamber of Secrets, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Harry has to die in order for Voldey to die. perhaps the scar is an indication that he is the lost Horcrux.
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| ObsoletE wrote: | | perhaps the scar is an indication that he is the lost Horcrux. |
Interesting theory. From the looks of things, Snape is/was a double agent for Voldemort, keeping an eye on Dumbledore and Harry, ready to kill Dumbledore when the opportunity presented itself. He even tries to help Malfoy to do it. This is all proof that he is working for Voldemort.
Dumbleodre was stupid to trust Snape, he seems to think that Snape will listen to him before he kills him, but Snape doesn't anwer to Dumbledore.
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i'm still not 100% convinced that Snape is an agent for Voldemort.
like i said, it's possible he is truly a spy for the Order, who happened to get in the wrong circumstances. he was forced to undergo the cursing (where he has to do Draco Malfoy's plan, should Draco be unable to complete it, or be revealed as a coward, or traitor in front of the death-eaters.
he never really seemed to know what Draco's plan/initiation was, until the end anyway. i don't think "tries to help" is right. "FORCED to help" is much more accurate.
in all honesty, his "is he?/isn't he?" nature is a pretty cliched plot device, and i honestly think that in such a cliche driven series, i fully expect Snape to be integral to Voldemort's defeat. it would actually surprise me if he is (and was) 100% evil in the final book.
but, i'll remain open-minded to the possibility. only a few months until we find out for sure anyway.
(Spoilers are going to ruin it for me, i can feel it right now. i'm not planning to buy the book, i never buy hard-covers, and so i'll have to wait until i can get it from the library.)
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| ObsoletE wrote: | | in all honesty, his "is he?/isn't he?" nature is a pretty cliched plot device, and i honestly think that in such a cliche driven series, i fully expect Snape to be integral to Voldemort's defeat. it would actually surprise me if he is (and was) 100% evil in the final book.) |
Sounds like a fair assumption. Everyone wants to know if he's as bad as he seems, but we'll never know until we read it. I hate waiting, but it's not too far off, at least. Snape could indeed play an important part in Voldemort's defeat (depending on his loyalty to him).
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it could just be that i'm a fan of Alan Rickman, and somehow would rather see him redeem himself in the final volume. (and no doubt in the final chapter of the final volume, if we're going to be flooded with cliches  )
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| ObsoletE wrote: | | it could just be that i'm a fan of Alan Rickman... |
I want to have his babies.
I'm the same way Obs, I want to see Snape redeem himself and ...I want Dumbledore back. I won't dwell on it any further or I will cry again. 
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Snape was in a binding spell with Mrs Malfoy to protect Draco, he had to do it to get the death eaters trust. Dumbledore probably instructed him to do it. So im guessing hes still good and now hes probably with Voldermort finding a way to help defeat him or finding info to feed to Harry and the OOTP.
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When was Snape ever "good"? Anyway, they're all possible theories, I wonder if Snape knows about the Horcruxes? If so, maybe he could tell Harry their locations (if Voldemort tells/has told him where they are). I suppose his whole attitude about being mean to Harry through the series could have just been an act, though I think killing Dumbledore was going a tad too far. There's no way that Dumbledore would have instructed Snape to kill him!
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| admeister wrote: | | I suppose his whole attitude about being mean to Harry through the series could have just been an act, though I think killing Dumbledore was going a tad too far. There's no way that Dumbledore would have instructed Snape to kill him! |
No No No. His attitude to Harry is because of what is father did to him. But killing Dumbledore - look at my ^ post. Theres a reason why he must have killed Dumbledore (or appeared to have killed Dumbledore ).
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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I remember when I read it to the end and Dumbledore died. I was seriously feeling sick and I couldn't go to school cause I was depressed.
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^ Man you must really get involved in your reading dude 
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I have always love my reading I finished Half Blood Prince before anyone in my school I think it was like 3 days later it got released.
Also in my English class we are reading the classic "Killing Mr Griffen" and they were upto page 14 and i was on page 100 and we only started reading it that day.
May passion is reading also.
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| admeister wrote: | | When was Snape ever "good"? |
when has he been inherently evil in the books?
it really depends on your definitions, i mean to me it seems that Snape was/is a bullied child who fell in with the wrong crowd/gang. always trying to gain some respect from his peers, but never quite getting it.
| admeister wrote: | | though I think killing Dumbledore was going a tad too far. There's no way that Dumbledore would have instructed Snape to kill him! |
like i said above. perhaps Dumbledore knew something that hasn't been placed yet. additionally, if the Order was trying to place Snape as a deep cover agent within the Deatheaters, what better way to get their trust than killing the oppositions leader? it could've been a "greater-good" sacrifice.
and given Dumbledore's so interested in the Phoenix, i don't think it's the last we've seen of him. (if you don't know what i mean, check out what the Phoenix can do, even though it has been in at least one book too.)
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^ Like I said....
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^ yeah, i said a similar thing on page 3 too, to me, it makes sense, but it seems people are more willing to have him dead, than not.
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| ObsoletE wrote: |
(Spoilers are going to ruin it for me, i can feel it right now. i'm not planning to buy the book, i never buy hard-covers, and so i'll have to wait until i can get it from the library.) |
*SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T READ PAST BOOK 5*
I feel for you Obs, that's got to suck! The same thing happened to me when I found out that in book 5 Sirius died  I got 6 straight away though and will do with 7 so that idiots don't ruin it for me.
PS: Is there any need for me to use spoilers in this thread? I presume not, but just in case...
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| ObsoletE wrote: | | ^ yeah, i said a similar thing on page 3 too, to me, it makes sense, but it seems people are more willing to have him dead, than not. |
People just dont believe in the magic do they ...
Im sure he will be back or Snape will announe why he did it and it will have been what Dumbledore planned.
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I always thought that she would kill Harry Potter just so there couldn't be spin offs written by other people, ie, Stars Wars. I hope that's not true. I think that either Ron, Hermonie or Ginny will die. No particular reason but she hasn't held back so far on killing off people that are important to Harry.
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I want DH to end with tragedy and sorrow. Kill off Harry! Kill off Ron! Kill off Hermione! Kill off...err...McGonagle?
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Well supposedly the ending has been leaked and one of my a**hole friends decided to tell me what has been posted as the ending. My god I hate him right now.
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| Vervain wrote: | | Well supposedly the ending has been leaked and one of my a**hole friends decided to tell me what has been posted as the ending. My god I hate him right now. |
That's interesting to hear, I've been hearing a fair bit about the ending with Harry apparently dying, as they were saying that JKR was sick of writing the books, and that she didn't want fans asking her to continue.
I somewhat doubt it though. Also, on the topic of Potter, the games based on the movie have just been released.
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| Vervain wrote: | | Well supposedly the ending has been leaked and one of my a**hole friends decided to tell me what has been posted as the ending. My god I hate him right now. |
Muahahahaha
SPOILER:
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^ For the record that wasn't funny.
But that wasn't the purpose of this post. I came in here purely to say that I haven't heard/seen anything with regards to the possible ending of DH and for that I am extremely thankful. It's probably all rubbish anyway but even if it has the slightest chance of being true, I don't want to know about it until I have read it in the book. So yeah, I'm glad I haven't seen or heard anything about it yet.
Oh and if any of you post what you've heard in here just for the sake of doing so, I will go off on a rampage. We've already had that happen once tonight...
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| NismoR34 wrote: | | ^ For the record that wasn't funny. |
Oh, don't be such a wet blanket. And why do you ALWAYS post in blue?
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Well, I've read the "leaked" version of the book, which turned out to be written by a fan. it's was actually very good, and followed the story very well (aside from a few aspects), and was even written in JKR's style. However, while it was not the real deal, it is fairly likely that at least one part of what they wrote will actually happen in the book (seeing as a fair bit of it was actually feasible, and is what most people would expect, logically).
This includes the revealing of who R.A.B is Regulus A. Black (Sirius's father), as well as the supposed ending, which they wrote (which was fairly unbelievable, IMO).
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