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Forums have been a bit dull lately.....
Consider this thread a rant. Everyone likes to rant. Feel free to talk about where your head is at gaming wise (inspiration from Ugh and Leon's previous threads). 
What type of games are you enjoying?
Has there been any changes in your gaming desires?
What consoles are you going to get?
What consoles aren't you going to get?
What are you looking forward to most?
What's disappointing you?
I'll start us off.
[Usually I'm an avid PC gamer but right now I'm a little disenchanted. Really not much on the horizon. I hell lot of generic RPGs and strategy games. I've actually aquired more of a taste for consoles RPGs these days. Maybe that's the reason why I didn't get into Neverwinter Nights 2. Also, I don't even know how to play Strategy games. Too much going on at once.  That kind of disappoints me since Supreme Commander and Company Heroes look like good fun if you know how to play it. 
There is a bit of hope though as I have these PC games to catch up on and play for the first time:
Titan Quest
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
Oblivion
R6 Vegas
Jade Empire
Splinter Cell Double Agent
Dreamfall
GRAW.
But 2007 is looking really empty. The most promising games are multiplatform titles. And I'm really starting to get sick of shooters. Valve and Epic are allowed to make shooters since they're so good at it but I really have had enough of brainless zombie/mutant/alien/monster shooting. Its a stagnant genre as far as I'm concerned. Crysis has some very cool ideas coming up (such as nano-suit) plus Bioshock (RPG elements plus totally unique setting).
Why can't developers be more creative...(i'll save that for another section).
Also, I want more action/adventure titles on the PC. Why aren't games similiar to God of War or the Jak series on the PC? 
There is Crysis and Hellgate: London which are exclusive and looking good. I think Crysis will be the game that allows PC gamers to have the rights to the best looking game out there. Its been pitiful that Gears of War looks better than anything else.
Damn Epic. If 2 years ago someone had said that Epic was going to utilise the Unreal Engine 3 on a console before the PC I wouldn't have believed them.
I recently upgraded my PC. Very nearly bought a whole new rig but I'll do that later in the year when the market is a bit more stable in terms of all companies having their major product released. But if my PC gaming desire drops anymore, I ain't spending 3k on a big rig.
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Ok thats me. I have some thoughts on consoles but i'll leave that for now.
Anyone else care to add their thoughts???
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YOU need to suck it up crest and realise that even though the wii does't cater to you(or me either) sales prove alot of people are happy with it.I find it ironic you slam ninetdno fanboys for being.....well, nintendo fanboys but your utter bias for sony makes anything you say less then legit.
Btw, snes>>>>>>ps2.
Don't get me wrong, ps2 is a GREAT system, but it's not for me.
Actaully, i'm pretty pissed off at this topic crest, it's not so much the state of our game, it's the state of you starting YET ANOTHER flame war about nintendo vs sony.
I'm sick of this debate you start in every topic.I'll start a topic about cupcakes, within 5 posts you'll be in there somehow tying it into how nintendo 'betrayed' it's loyal customers etc and then another showdown begins.
Get a grip man.
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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^ yeah was too flame-baity. apologies.
Edited to remove bull-shit.
Just gaming talk now. 
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I'm disappointed about everything in gaming these days.
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| UWSguy wrote: | | I'm disappointed about everything in gaming these days. |
You don't play ANY new release games these days?
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It pisses me off how amazingly made games ( Okami, Beyond Good and Evil, Kirby Canva Curse, etc) don't sell very well.
Also how the Wii taking so long too release any good games ( we're still waiting for Paper Mario over here Nintendo).
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| the_spensa wrote: | | It pisses me off how amazingly made games ( Okami, Beyond Good and Evil, Kirby Canva Curse, etc) don't sell very well. |
I fully agree... i played Beyond Good and Evil and absolutely loved it!
So did everyone else i know who played it!
But because it wasn't very well known it didn't do very well!
However that is the problem isn't it.
A game needs to be produced by a known game producing company and advertised inorder to do well.
However these companys arn't interested in what real gamers want, they are only interested in what will sell to the casual gameing masses.
Hence alot of games produced are mindless sports, racing, shooting games that people can just pickup play for a few minutes and put down again.
Not pointing the finger at any one... (cough) ea... but also what is the point of releasing yearly updates of sports games onter than to make money?!?
And the sad truth is that it's not going to get better... there will always be more casual gamers than real gamers and the gap will continualy grow larger.
P.S: sorry about the rant but this was advertised as a thred for that sort of thing... and it felt good to!
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I'm hoping that these yearly titles are going goodbye with micro-transactions coming in... I don't see why the studios can't just release <Sport> 07, and then the year after release a content pack for like <$20 with the updated team rosters. Then for 09 release proper update with better graphics and *gasp* gameplay.
I'm quite happy with the gaming "scene" at the moment. I don't get much time to play and I have many a game needing to be finished.
Scarily enough I'm currently replaying Crackdown for a 2nd time and I'll be replying it a 3rd for the Co-Op achievement. This comes from a person who rarely plays a game's story-line (ie RTS) let alone replays it.
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| nikack wrote: | | I'm hoping that these yearly titles are going goodbye with micro-transactions coming in... I don't see why the studios can't just release <Sport> 07, and then the year after release a content pack for like <$20 with the updated team rosters. Then for 09 release proper update with better graphics and *gasp* gameplay. |
If EA (since they are the main offender) works out a way to make more money out of microtransactions than yearly incarnations - then that is a definite possibility.
But at the moment I would say that there aren't enough adopters of Xbox Live and so on in proportion to the amount of units per yearly title they shift.
Something revolting like, 2.2 million Madden 07s were sold in America and I'm guessing that all the brain-dead uni students, high school students and unemployed 30 year olds living with their mothers who bought the game would not be considering downloading every new roster etc for the 08 version, as opposed to just buying it.
I know there are heaps of other angles to this, but I'm just throwing in my two cents.
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Microtransactions are an evil. It allows developers to skimp on the title they ship since they can sell those parts later down the track. But so far it seems to have been used quite well though, except with Guitar Hero II on the 360.
| Ajibaja wrote: | | And the sad truth is that it's not going to get better... there will always be more casual gamers than real gamers and the gap will continualy grow larger. |
I hear you. Eidos have actually set up a studio to concentrate on casual games. Linsky.
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In terms of games this year, it is been very shit so far.
Though i am looking forward to teh big 360 realeses (halo 3 more than anything), and i am hangign for the new wii games.
Though i have been shocked so far this year. I have only finished like 4 games, normally i would have finished about 35 by now.
Though come june, that is when i will be happy again.
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Let's see I'm going to go point form with this.
-shooters bore me, unless they're 'different' for the most part
-Getting a 360 later when cheap
-not getting a PS3 unless I win it
-Zelda TP was too over hyped for it's own good
-not that I support it but, to give a little bit of credit to ports to Wii... most of them did not appear on Nintendo's consoles
-Super Paper Mario is not the second coming of Jesus
-I don't care what anyone says, Wii has a great line up in Q3/Q4
-EA still sucks
-Ubisoft (for the most part) joins them^
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Shooters have become what rpg's once were (back in the days of snes and psx) (the most popular genre)
I love good shooters, i am pretty sick of RPGs (unless they are absolute stand outs) turn base is just so fucking boaring now (that said there are a few i am looking forward to)
Zelda TP was not too overhyped, as it was an excellent game (not as good as ocarina)
I agree no ps3, unless it is free LOL
Super paper mario is unreal, but no mario galaxy, metroid, halo, fable etc.
Wii has an excellent line up for the Q3$4. - Mario galaxy. Metroid 3, Super smash bros.
EA has some good games, but still sucks.
Ubisoft is making heaps of crap, but sitll some good games.
And that is my opinion.
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| sephiaya wrote: |
Zelda TP was not too overhyped, as it was an excellent game (not as good as ocarina) |
I was good but nothing surprising
| Quote: | | Wii has an excellent line up for the Q3$4. - Mario galaxy. Metroid 3, Super smash bros. |
The three usual suspects of course... and Fire Emblem, Batallion Wars 2, No More Heroes, and Disaster and Forever Blue intrigue me (though I may not get the two)
| Quote: | Ubisoft is making heaps of crap, but sitll some good games.
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Assassin's Creed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! !! (ftw)
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| sephiaya wrote: | | Zelda TP was not too overhyped, as it was an excellent game (not as good as ocarina) |
I don't understand why you would think that.
I haven't finished TP yet, but it has have improved on Ocarina in every single aspect.
Relative to their stainding in time, one may be better than the other, but as two standalone games i don't see how ocarina can be called the better game.
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| crestfallen wrote: | | Relative to their stainding in time, one may be better than the other, but as two standalone games i don't see how ocarina can be called the better game. |
Because Twilight Princess took so many of it's ideas from it, and I felt it was just fanboy service due to whinging about WW and wanting a realistic Zelda on the roots of OoT. Same feel, nothing new.
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Some brief thoughts on the state of gaming right now:
- There's not a whole lot out right now in terms of video games that interests me (maybe I'm not into gaming in general like I used to be) - this has led me towards a more niche area of gaming - retro-styles.
- I don't foresee myself getting an Xbox 360 or PS3, because I don't want to spend the money, and while I think they both have great games and have their respective benefits, they're just not for me.
- Twilight Princess was great, but it was not as good as the hype, in my opinion - OoT was like nothing I had ever played and just seems so perfect in my mind - TP was heaps of fun and a fantastic game, but not my favourite - I think I had more fun with TWW (and loved the art style).
- The DS rocks! - wish there was another Super Mario platformer at least announced or something.
- The Wii has so much potential, but mine just sits there - waiting for games... but knowing what's inevitably going to come along, I think I'll be more than happy when we're hit with the Super Mario, Zelda and Metroid games.
- I'm not really into shooters that much, or racing games, and am not into sports games - they can be a lot of fun, but they're not my favourite.
- What's with spin-offs? - I hate spin-offs...
- Innovation = the best - when it comes to sequels, I'd love it if developers could do something with the franchise and ramp it up a bit - I don't like gimmicks - something that takes the core dynamic, but takes it to the next level - the best example of this that I have seen is the Super Mario platformer series - there have been seom hiccups, but generally, each instalment has really added new elements that take advantage of the system's abilities (this is purely subjective though).
- I like Nintendo games - I mean the first-party stuff.
- I also like Sony, Microsoft, and any other games that are done well - in other words, I like any game that is good - liking one thing is not mutually exclusive to liking another thing.
- I still think the DS rocks!
- And finally, as a PAL gamer, I don't like the way we're treated when it comes to releases and delays - and as an Australian gamer, I don't like the way we're treated when it comes to prices.
I'm done here...
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OK I had my rant earlier now i'll actualy answer the questions the thread posed.
| crestfallen wrote: | What type of games are you enjoying?
Has there been any changes in your gaming desires?
What consoles are you going to get?
What consoles aren't you going to get?
What are you looking forward to most?
What's disappointing you? |
Answered in the same order as they appear above:
At the moment i'm realy into fps's... (yes I know, SHAME SHAME on me)... if it makes it any better the main game in question is S.T.A.L.K.E.R., though I have been back into CSS lately as well.
I used to absolutely love real time strategy games... though I have recently come to the realisation that I am not actualy all that good at them... (mainly due to one embaresingly bad game at a recent LAN). Since then I have turned my multiplayer direction more towards fps's and enjoyed a little more success. Though I have always, and hopefuly always will loved a good epic rpg, such as Ultima IV, Oblivion, KOTOR, etc...
NONE!!!!! I have an irrational hate for consols that even suprises me some times... anyway as a uni student i couldn't afford one anyway.
See the above response.
Even though I have been called a noob once before in the pages of these forums for thinking so, the thing I am looking forward to the most in the imediate future of my gaming life is the PC release of Halo 2. This is no so much because of the single player game, though I did enjoy the first one and am hoping to get as much enjoyment out of this version, but rather because I beleave that the multiplayer in Halo 2 is one of the best there is.
My biggest disappointment doesent have anything to do with game releses, or lack there of, but rather my current gameing ability. I am living on campus at uni and due to THE STUPID F****** PROXY SERVER i am unable to play any online games... O BF2142 how i miss you. 
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| Nick wrote: | | I'm guessing that all the brain-dead uni students, high school students and unemployed 30 year olds living with their mothers who bought the game would not be considering downloading every new roster etc for the 08 version, as opposed to just buying it. |
Not ALL of us uni students are brain-deads who buy crap games.
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| joejoe wrote: | | sephiaya wrote: |
Zelda TP was not too overhyped, as it was an excellent game (not as good as ocarina) |
I was good but nothing surprising
| Quote: | | Wii has an excellent line up for the Q3$4. - Mario galaxy. Metroid 3, Super smash bros. |
The three usual suspects of course... and Fire Emblem, Batallion Wars 2, No More Heroes, and Disaster and Forever Blue intrigue me (though I may not get the two)
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I said ubisoft still has some good. And yeah i am looking forward to Assassin's Creed
And the big N 3 are all they need to make me say it is good. Sure the others will be good, but nothing like the big 3.
And i would not say that TP has improved on ocarina. The world in Ocarina is just so much more enjoyable. Tp in a way was too big, and the characters were not as lovable. This was more so due to the fact that the game was much darker. I love the bright and vibrant worlds and characters in ocarina.
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| Ajibaja wrote: | | NONE!!!!! I have an irrational hate for consols that even suprises me some times... anyway as a uni student i couldn't afford one anyway. |
You seem to quite like Wii Sports and SingStar (when in co-op)
I'm pissed that I don't get to play as many games as I used to. I used to be the 'typical' (term used loosely) uni student who played games all the time. Somehow I managed to get most realeases that I wanted and that was fine.
Now I work 9-5.30 (8.30 to 5.30 on Monday), and have jack all time to game and most of the weekend goes to gaming. Except now I have the money to get whatever game I want. While I seem to be finishing more games than I used to (I have to be a bit choosier about what I play), I am in no way going to be finishing my back-catalougue. Period. I have FFXII waiting for me to finish FFX-2, and after that there is FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, Dragon's Quest, Pokemon (eventually), .hack (only part 1 so far), FFIII DS, and all the others that aren't even released yet.
No time and money to burn, or no money and time to burn. Why do these seem to be mutually exclusive?
I'm a console gamer, I admit it. I don't mind the PC, but prefer the idea of paying a set amount of money for set hardware rather than undetermined large amounts of money for a whiz-bang system that'll be mediocre in a couple of years time. I've never had a whiz-bang PC, so that might have something to do with it, but the I've only recently been liking newer games, so it hasn't really been a problem in the past (point-and-click adventures FTW!)
I think I'll be sticking with the Wii at the moment. PS3 is way too expensive, and the Xbox360 only has a couple of games I'm interested in, and the problems I've been hearing about have put me off to an extent. I've been thinking of getting a PSP, but the fact that I only want it for 2 or 3 games (Loco Roco, Me and My Katamari, etc) makes me think twice about spending that kind of money.
I need to stop spending!!! I'll happily buy something on a whim (18 wheeler American pro trucker, and Doshin the Giant, both for GC, $20 and $40 respectively [minimum bids on e?bay]), but then stop myself from buying games that I would really like, like Loco Roco and ME and My Katamari. I'll happily waste money on crap, but then think twice on stuff that I'd actualy enjoy... Kind of a contradiction...
Okay, that's enough of a rant. I've vented, and now feel slightly better.
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Here's my one point
- For all the talk about next gen physics and destructible environments and Wii controls and DS controls and integrated online services and HOME and Miis and blah blah blah blah blah blah the thing that has grabbed my attention most in quite a while is a Pokemon game thats barely different to the others with the a pretty bloody shocking if you actually think about it online system.
Not sure what the point of saying that was but eh.
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^ If pokemon took all your time then don't start WoW buddy...
Me and you are very different gamers I think Dances. I would give up Pearl and Diamond just to see the facial animation technology used in Team Fortress 2.
But I can respect your tastes even if they don't make sense to me.
Or maybe you just haven't used the Gravity Gun to throw a table across the room in HL2 or haven't had a wall be chipped and destructed right in front of your face by bullets in FEAR
| DIU wrote: | | Not sure what the point of saying that was but eh. |
Its a rant. Its not meant to have a point.
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| crestfallen wrote: | | DIU wrote: | | Not sure what the point of saying that was but eh. |
Its a rant. Its not meant to have a point. |
It wasn't long enough, nor does it have enough off topic ramblings to be a rant (like the time I had to go to Shelbyville to get a new heel for my shoe....)
Variety is the spice of life. I'm sure once I get a console that can actually do crazy physics and whatever I'll love them too, but I'm always going to want to go through and catch all eleventy gazillion creatures in Pokemon Fire Hydrant and Pokemon Rusted Spatula in slightly upgraded graphics.
... oh, where was I? Oh yes, the important thing was I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war - just big yellow ones...
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I think what I'm about to say corresponds with what DIU was saying.
Honestly, I was more engaged with 'New Super Mario Bros.' on the DS than I was with 'Gears of War' on the Xbox 360.
It's just the simplicity and a formula that seems to work in a timeless sense.
I mean, to go a step further, the 2D 'Metroid' and 'Super Mario' games get my attention more than, say, just about everything I've read about in the past 6 months on any games website (just about, but not entirely).
It's like the newest and flashiest game today - in 10 years, people may scoff at it as being old and out-dated, as we do to many 3D games of about 10 years ago that look awful by today's standards.
But somehow, a whole heap of old NES and SNES games still have me coming back for more, and the GBA and DS are totally capitalising off that - there's something to that for a significant segment of the video gaming community.
Don't get me wrong, I am impressed by new games and graphics.
But for me, that stuff wears off very fast, and I find myself looking for my old-style gameplay after a while.
So, like crestfallen said, I can totally respect the tastes of people who like other aspects of games - it's veriety in demand that leads to variety in supply.
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:41 am Post subject: Re: The state of YOUR game |
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| crestfallen wrote: | What type of games are you enjoying?
Has there been any changes in your gaming desires?
What consoles are you going to get?
What consoles aren't you going to get?
What are you looking forward to most?
What's disappointing you? |
- At the moment, generally the same games I have always enjoyed. Racing games first and foremost then pretty much anything and everything after that. Shooters have been receiving a lot of my time lately thanks to some big name releases, but as I said generally I am enjoying the same stuff that I was enjoying a few years ago.
- This one's a hard one. On the one hand I'd like to see new and quirky IPs that bring new experiences to us as gamers, but on the other hand I'm really happy with the way our industry is going at the moment. I guess the biggest thing I crave at the moment is new experiences and thankfully we're getting quite a few of them in this generation.
- The Wii and a Playstation 3 sometime down the track, definitely. I already have a 360 obviously and while that is absolutely owning my game time at the moment, knowing what it is like to be able to buy any game that takes my fancy is something that I can't miss out on anymore and as such getting all three consoles again this time around is mandatory for me.
- Er, a Dreamcast. As much as I'd really, really love one there just isn't any point in owning one anymore.
- Three titles come to mind instantly: BioShock, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption and Alan Wake. Obviously there are many titles out there that I am anticipating but if I had to choose 3 right now, it would be those. Why?
Well BioShock is my most anticipated title for this year and will probably end up being my game of the year too. It's based in an underwater city for crying out loud, that equals win right there. Take into consideration just how damn nice the game looks, especially the water effects and well I think it's easy to say that Rapture will blow me away. If Irrational's history is anything to go by then the game itself will also be f'ing awesome.
Metroid Prime 3 is anticipated by default for me. It's a Metroid game for one, it's continuing on from my two favourite Gamecube titles for two and it's a Metroid game for three. Did I mention it was a Metroid game?
Alan Wake is a weird one in a way. I mean, not all that much is known about it and what we've seen of it hasn't been that much either, but regardless the idea and potential behind the title sounds absolutely awesome and I definitely can't wait to see how this game fares come next year.
- In all honesty, not that much. Well with regards to the industry anyway. Personally though, well it's disappointing to know that I'm not going to experience every game that I want to experience due to financial reasons or whatever. There are so many awesome games out there now that it's next to impossible to be able to experience them all in the way that I'd like to. So yeah, that's disappointing.
I really think gaming is in its prime at the moment. We have three consoles that all have massive potential for different reasons. As a multi-platform gamer, being able to experience each and every aspect of that potential is an exciting prospect to be sure and I for one can't wait to find out what else is coming our way. There are so many decent titles coming this year along that I can't even count them all. That's not thinking ahead to what 2008, 2009 and even 2010 will bring us. The future is very sweet indeed and I for one am loving every moment of it. 
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Raptured Reality
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