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| Jim Dash wrote: | Instead of experiencing the killer Motorstorm, Resistance, and Virtua Fighter though, you got the piddly-crap games!  That's a waste of $1000 if you ask me, mate. Oh, but you 'know what you're doing'.  |
Stating your opinions, much?  And bigm was telling me off. Sure, they're all "killer" by your definition, but by mine they are closer to interesting. I'd be most likely to buy Motosrstorm out of the 3, because I like some of the gameplay. I do know what I'm doing, probably much more so than you. How much will you be spending on your PS3? 
| Jim Dash wrote: | | And non-exclusives wise, nearly every game is better than Full Auto 2. |
And I suppose you've played them all? Not to mention that Full Auto 2 is an exclusive title.
I had a feeling I would be called a fanboy at some point, even though I knew it would be completely incorrect. So, now I'm supposed to be a fanboy of both Nintendo and Sony? I don't recall seeing that in the definition of fanboy. Call it seeing both sides of the story (though X360 I'll never understand! )
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Nice article Phil. Now i don't really need to be told whether i'm going to get a ps3 or not. I have always had a sony console in my house ever since Playstation 1. That's why i'm getting a ps3 ohh and because of the great games and blue ray player. Either way It's my choice . I wouldn't call myself a fanboy because later i will be buying a 360 with 120 gig version.
Call me crazy i just have a lot of respect for sony even thoe they screwed us so much. I think i can forgive them for years and years and years of great games coming out on the ps1,2.
Well that's my rant for now
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| The Brett wrote: | | I would have preferred and actual counter-article. The pro-PS3 feature raises some interesting points in favour of the PS3, but this article acts more like an anti-PS3 flame. I would have much preferred a balanced argument. |
Let's face it though - no matter if you like the way he said it, Neil has a point in what he said. Yes, the PS3 has more, and (imo) more interesting exclusives than the X360 did. But - It is a full year later, and a damn-site more expensive too. I tend to think that for people who want a PS3 then there are a few good games, and plenty of decent filler to be had - but for people looking to be swayed on the higher price point(esp. those who already own a 360), the launch line-up starts looking a little shaky.
I know that if I wasn't sure that I wanted a PS3, just looking at the games wounldn't sway me all that far.
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It's kinda funny that the people these 2 articles are directed at may never actually get to read them. I'm sure most of the members of the forum are capable of making their own decisions whereas the general public that aren't are problably gonna read impressions of the machine from some site like nine msn or something. Nothing wrong with the articles....just pointing out the irony I guess.
What i'd like to point out though is that you can't actually buy Virtua Fighter 5 for any other console currently therefore making it a viable reason to pick up the Ps3.
I have to admit that for those customers that haven't taken the plunge into the next gen yet....that Ps3 launch lineup does look pretty good. It certainly does it for me.
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| ugh the boot wrote: | | What i'd like to point out though is that you can't actually buy Virtua Fighter 5 for any other console currently therefore making it a viable reason to pick up the Ps3. |
Good point. That should be added to the exclusive list, because it is for now, so it is a reason to get a PS3 now.
| ugh the boot wrote: | | I have to admit that for those customers that haven't taken the plunge into the next gen yet....that Ps3 launch lineup does look pretty good. It certainly does it for me. |
Absolutely. The fact that I didn't get a 360 makes the PS3 launch seem great to me, all I've gotten is the Wii which looks a bit ordinary compared to the PS3!
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Look, sorry for the rant, but it was getting late, I was tired and your post pissed me off. My whole point is that you spend all this money on a PS3, and don't even get to experience the killer apps. Yes, I'm sure you will enjoy Full Auto 2, but Motorstorm and Resistance would be worth so much more of your money and really show you the potential of your shiny new machine. You really need to get the best experience out of your cash, considering how much it all costs.
As a comparison, it'd be like getting a 360 without Gears of War. Sure, not everyone thinks GoW is the be all, end all of 360 games, but the vast majority do and the experience is so addictive its not funny. It showed the potential of the system, awesome gameplay, graphics, and the online play...wow. It was like...so this is next gen..
The PS3 has an awesome lineup. Being last out the gate has provided it with a good launch, compared to the 360's rushed launch and first-generation next gen titles.
And I never thought I'd see you say that about the Wii. Finally.
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| Jim Dash wrote: | Look, sorry for the rant, but it was getting late, I was tired and your post pissed me off. My whole point is that you spend all this money on a PS3, and don't even get to experience the killer apps. Yes, I'm sure you will enjoy Full Auto 2, but Motorstorm and Resistance would be worth so much more of your money and really show you the potential of your shiny new machine. You really need to get the best experience out of your cash, considering how much it all costs.
As a comparison, it'd be like getting a 360 without Gears of War. Sure, not everyone thinks GoW is the be all, end all of 360 games, but the vast majority do and the experience is so addictive its not funny. It showed the potential of the system, awesome gameplay, graphics, and the online play...wow. It was like...so this is next gen.. |
Fair enough, I see what you're getting at.
| JimDash wrote: | | And I never thought I'd see you say that about the Wii. Finally. |
I'm no fanboy (sure, a lot of my gaming experience has been with Nintendo, but I've also been following the Playstation brand since the start), I just stick up for the underdog, whenever one appears. My stance towards the Wii was partly due to it being underestimated and laughed at by some, as well as my interest in the console's impending release. Since then, the tables have been turning, and Sony have copped a lot of flak recently in the lead up to the PS3 launch. Games other than Resistance and Motorstorm seem to be getting somewhat neglected, so I wanted to stand up for them, and try to show that they are possibly worth owning too. I don't think it's fair for there to be too much bias.
I won't stick up for Sony's pathetic attempt at BC on the other hand, they are in the wrong on that one.
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If you truly believe that people are wrong in their judgement of Nintendo or Sony, or their crap games, then stand up for what you believe in.
If you are standing up for them ust to be different, (and waste your money) what are you thinking, boy? They deserve all the flak they get, plus more.
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| Jim Dash wrote: | | If you truly believe that people are wrong in their judgement of Nintendo or Sony, or their crap games, then stand up for what you believe in. |
I do, I wouldn't bother otherwise. If I believe in something strongly, and I think people are getting it wrong, I'll write it up. I do hate misconception.
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I'll be waiting till at least 2008 for a PS3. Mostly because I don't have the money to spend and I require a component cable splitter to accomodate all the cables (XBox 360 and DVD player use the existing 2). Alternatively get a second cheap 1080i LCD for another room.
Sony haven't performed very well marketing the PS3 and if they were a football player they would have been relegated to the reserves.
But I still believe PS3 in the long run will have 50% of the home console market share which includes any market the Wii may create.
I still think at this point the Xbox 360 is still the best value for your dollar in the home console market. That may change as the PS3 changes its price and more games are available. The Wii I don't care its in a different category of gaming that doesn't interest me at all.
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Ad it's not fair to talk about imports when we are arguing about the price of games/consoles that are locally released.
Sure, fair enough, you can roughly get a ps3 for say 10-15% cheaper by importing.
Surprise surprise you can a 360 now(and even at it's launch) for 10-15% cheaper.The actual dollars and cents don't mean anything, the actual percentage savings are the same when comparing apples and apples(a local ps3 to a local 360) rather then apples/oranges(import ps3 to a local 360).In the end, even an import ps3 is still expensive when compared to an import 360.Kapisch?
If we are talking imports for one thing ad, everything must be considered to be an import.I'd wager that even that silly big mac equation would still hold roughly true when you talk about importing big macs(which has crossed my mind more then once  ).
Don't blow a gasket guys, i could see straight away that these twin articles are meant to cater to everybody and shine a different coloured light on the one situation.If reading this article is like snake venom, go read the sister article 'buy it now' for the antidote.
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| Nova Prime wrote: | | crestfallen wrote: | | Wow, isn't it funny how opinion works? You think this, and I disagree. There's really no need for personal attacks, man. |
In the particular phrase you put in bold, I meant in terms of the 360 providing the same basic experience by and large, with the added bonus of the Wii experience alongside it. |
Is price really an object?? We're gamers and we've all payed through the nose for our entire lives. This kind of cost-benefit analysis is silly.
The PS3 (just like the 360) will have great games in its lifetime, including exclusives and multiplatforms. You'd have to be one paranoid gamer to think that it won't deliver (hell, it already has).
And I find it weird that you suggest everyone get the Wii. That console may have its place, but it currently has the foggiest future of all platforms ever released.
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| Jibbs wrote: | Ad it's not fair to talk about imports when we are arguing about the price of games/consoles that are locally released.
Sure, fair enough, you can roughly get a ps3 for say 10-15% cheaper by importing.
Surprise surprise you can a 360 now(and even at it's launch) for 10-15% cheaper.The actual dollars and cents don't mean anything, the actual percentage savings are the same when comparing apples and apples(a local ps3 to a local 360) rather then apples/oranges(import ps3 to a local 360).In the end, even an import ps3 is still expensive when compared to an import 360.Kapisch? |
You're right. I just wanted to counter the bit about how expensive it all is, since there is an alternative. But PAL gamers get screwed, what can you do about it? I suppose it is a bit unfair to bring up importing when the article makes no mention of it, I mostly wrote it as advice/as a suggestion to people who are finding the PS3 expensive (like me).
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| crestfallen wrote: | | but it currently has the foggiest future of all platforms ever released. |
Explain.
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| DancesInUnderwear wrote: | | crestfallen wrote: | | but it currently has the foggiest future of all platforms ever released. |
Explain. |
Just for you Dances
My perspective: All consoles in the past have remained quite conservative. That is, your quite certain where that console is headed. PS2? No surprises. Xbox 360? No surprises. GCN? No surprises.
The Wii's future however, with its unproven control method, obscure games, old hardware and marketing towards non-gamers, is a little hard to predict.
That's the way I see it anyway.
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| crestfallen wrote: | | DancesInUnderwear wrote: | | crestfallen wrote: | | but it currently has the foggiest future of all platforms ever released. |
Explain. |
Just for you Dances
My perspective: All consoles in the past have remained quite conservative. That is, your quite certain where that console is headed. PS2? No surprises. Xbox 360? No surprises. GCN? No surprises.
The Wii's future however, with its unproven control method, obscure games, old hardware and marketing towards non-gamers, is a little hard to predict.
That's the way I see it anyway. |
Agreed, but i wouldnt call it old hardware, just held back hardware. I believe that the wii is powerful enough to create some great gaming experiences, we just havent seen it yet. I believe that when most of Nintendos First party games come out we will see a big difference then to the games it has now. My view.
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| crestfallen wrote: | | DancesInUnderwear wrote: | | crestfallen wrote: | | but it currently has the foggiest future of all platforms ever released. |
Explain. |
Just for you Dances |
Ah, fair enough.
I suppose in many ways that is indeed true - particularly if you consider just what is selling well (particularly in Japan) on both the Wii and the DS. But there's still some damn impressive stuff coming (hey, how could a console with 2 Mario platformers this year possibly have a bad future?), and, crazy control scheme and abundance of 'gimmicky' games or not, I still see no reason NOT to own a Wii at some point... same with the PS3 and 360, too.
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That's right, they all have their upsides, owning all of them is the ideal of course. Not that many people will end up in that situation though, but each console has it's own exclusives to look forward to/enjoy, and offers a different experience.
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| admeister wrote: | | That's right, they all have their upsides, owning all of them is the ideal of course. Not that many people will end up in that situation though, but each console has it's own exclusives to look forward to/enjoy, and offers a different experience. |
And it makes me happy to be lucky enough to have all 3 machines...wel..in the next 10 or so hours. 
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| crestfallen wrote: | | Is price really an object?? We're gamers and we've all payed through the nose for our entire lives. This kind of cost-benefit analysis is silly. |
Of course, nobody likes to waste money.
| Quote: | | The PS3 (just like the 360) will have great games in its lifetime, including exclusives and multiplatforms. You'd have to be one paranoid gamer to think that it won't deliver (hell, it already has). |
It's not that I think it won't deliver exactly, more that you can get a very similar experience for around half the price, unless you're after very specific games.
| Quote: | | And I find it weird that you suggest everyone get the Wii. That console may have its place, but it currently has the foggiest future of all platforms ever released. |
Two things: I wasn't necessarily suggesting buying a Wii, just saying the Wii60 combo gives anyone with a grand to burn a lot more for your dollar than a PS3, except in terms of Blu-ray and possibly a couple of other little things. And as I think I've previously said, with the future of HD video undecided, it's not that wise to invest now. And secondly, with the Wii still more or less sold out in the US (as far as I understand) as it has been since launch, and a very strong seller everywhere else, I'd hardly call its future foggy.
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Well, really, the worst case scenario for the Wii is that we only get 5-10 Nintendo exclusives, and little third party support (ala Gamecube) and that isn't really that bad at all. I would suggest the Wii for a gamer that doesn't have much money - the console being the cheapest of the three, with less games to need money for - and, of course, the few games will most likely be some of the best on ANY console. So, it's not like it has a horrible future or anything.
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Wii has like at least 10 1st party titles this year, mainly at the end of the year.
It wouldn't say it was have a horrible future, that's like saying PS3 will have a horrible future judging by it's launch numbers.
The only console to be ensured to have a healthy future is 360, but number one position is not ensured. All three consoles could suddenly burst with sale numbers.
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| Nova Prime wrote: | | Quote: | | The PS3 (just like the 360) will have great games in its lifetime, including exclusives and multiplatforms. You'd have to be one paranoid gamer to think that it won't deliver (hell, it already has). |
It's not that I think it won't deliver exactly, more that you can get a very similar experience for around half the price, unless you're after very specific games. |
Unless you import, that is.
Anway, I won't go on about that. I think the Wii will do fine in future, as will the 360. The PS3 has the foggiest future atm, IMO. It's launched rather late, at a much higer price than the other two. The launch was pretty quiet in Australia. Sony need some serious advertising to convince people to buy one, as well as a price drop (though I doubt it will happen in the next 3 months). They're already taking a loss on each console.
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^ Nearly every post of yours mentions importing somewhere.....honestly for most people this isn't an option therefore it shouldn't really be brought up unless someone specifically mentions it. If more people imported stuff the prices would just go up for the people that don't....so please stop trying to convince everyone it's a better option. I completely agree with what you're saying....but like I said it's not an option for a majority of people.
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| ugh the boot wrote: | | ^ Nearly every post of yours mentions importing somewhere.....honestly for most people this isn't an option therefore it shouldn't really be brought up unless someone specifically mentions it. If more people imported stuff the prices would just go up for the people that don't....so please stop trying to convince everyone it's a better option. I completely agree with what you're saying....but like I said it's not an option for a majority of people. |
It isn't?  Why not? I don't really see what's stopping a lot of people, I did it and there was nothing to stop me. You're probably right about the prices going up if everyone imported, but you can get stuff much cheaper if you import anyway.. Stuff Sony Australia IMO.
I'm glad you agree with me anyway.
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