The Greatest 100 Games Ever: 40-21

[Kloppy]

All good games, but I'm most shocked that SF2 didn't make higher.

Back in the day, it was bigger than Jesus.

I'll be quite sad if Mortal Kombat rates higher.

I would also put GTA3 higher than GTA:VC, and GE higher than PD purely because of originality.

[Quin]

Oh, and Sonic 3 > Sonic 2
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[EvilHayama]

Perfect dark vs. Goldeneye seems like such a redundant argument to me, both are console FPS's on the N64. While they did an amazing job of making the controller work as an FPS control it still pales in comparison to say... any PC shooter since Quake. The graphics are about quake 2 level, but at tiny TV resolution and the multiplayer is limited to 4 people, at which point you need a big TV to see what's going on. The single player modes have a good stories, but no better than Halflife, Far Cry, etc.
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[EvilHayama]

[realitybites]

Noooooooooo. Baldurs Gate II is my favourite game. 40th?!??!

Ah well the sad part is FF VIII beat it. Aarggh that was a bad game. Story was shite!

Majora's Mask didn't do it for me I thought the tedious time thing ruined the game.

20 to go should be interesting indeed!

[ObsoletE]

heh, i forgot Halo/2 altogether when i was writing my predictions.
yeah it'll be high up there, not that i agree though.

it's funny that the more i think about the games, the less sure i am of what will be rated highly.
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[Infested Jibbs]

Majoaras mask real time system didnt affect the gameplay negatively and certainly wasnt tedious.When you use the slow down time song.......whatever it was.......you had a good......oh....id estimate......4-5 hours between the start of day one and the end of day three.If you cant accomplish beating a certain dungeon or whatever you need too do in that space of time......well i dont know what to say to you.

And evil, goldenye.......and pefect dark to a lesser extent(jab jab) need more recognition than that.Need i remind you that goldeneye gave birth to the sniper rifle?While i cant argue that mouselook is a far more accurate and precise control method in a shooter compared to a standard controller, the graphics for the time were comparable(ish) to any of your standard pc shooters and most people (including myself) who played such pc shooters had integrated vid cards at best, and the resolution those games were playable at were quite simliar to goldeneye's.

And really i think your multiplayer argument is flawed-while you need 4 computers and 4 monitors(or more for more players) and separate copies of the game, all intricately linked through a compicated lan setup(complicated for your run of the mill 'lamens' gamer anyway), ge/pd needed 1 console-1 game--1 tv(and size was never an issue for me, any 60cm< tv easily suffices) and 4 controllers, and your up and gunning in the space of 30 secs.Its far more user friendly than those complicated lan setups no questions asked.

While yoiu could hti the net with quake and multi with up to 32(?) other players online, taking over the loungeroom with three of your best buds and a copy of goldeneye was always SO much more fun.

And q-bert pretty much nailed everything i was gunna bring up about goldeneye, but ill add that ge, for me anyway, was a more enjoyable game due to its modern day warfare setting as well, im not a big fan of sci-fi inspired shooters with alien guns and shield technology and whatnot.Not my cup of tea.Id rather be tearing up faciltiy(faciltiy fo LIFE fool) with a pair of rcp-90's, then killing some weird aliens with some weird alien guns on some weird alien planet

Oh and the whole r/s vs g/s vs r/b debate.

R/B was awesome.G/S imporved on that awesomeness with a nice, varied array of pokemon, with their own distinctive looks and personalites, aded a neat day night feature, increased the orginals games size about 3 fold, added colour, added the hold fucntion(near useless for berries like chirs said but useful for further increasing your pokemons individuality and stats by holding stat increasing items) and was just everything that r/b was, but 'better'.

Then they released r/s(and emerald), added a slew of uninspired, run of the mill, boring as pokemon, that are stupid and gay.Like Dunsparce.Wtf?Big let down that game.Oh and they added 2vs2 battles.Big whoop.BIG letdown.
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[EvilHayama]

[Infested Jibbs]

Yeah im a weird one.I refuse to lower my rose tinted glasses over goldeneye, but i take them off and stamp them into the cold hard ground when someone says that smk is better then mk64.

I see what your saying with the current games vs older games thing.I bought it up earlier actually when chris said something about it

Jibbs wrote-

[ObsoletE]

but Burnout 1 was sh!te.
that's the difference.

Quake 1 actually had a sniper rifle before Goldeneye did, it was just removed before release. but the zoom is still there in remnant, if you pressed the ";" key (by default) you could zoom your weapon.

Goldeneye was the first to keep it though, and the first with a scope.

despite that, i didn't like GE as it was sooooo damn slow compared to Quake, which was what i was playing at the time of GE's release. i can remember the first time i played it, the following exchange took place:
"where's the run button?"
"urm, you are running"
"wtf?"
at the time, that pretty much sealed me not buying an N64 at that time. we stuck to bringing PCs together and LANing. 8 copies of the game? pfft, at that time i don't think anyone had a real copy of it. this was back when i honestly thought PC games were free, oh how naive we were...

i did buy an N64 earlier this year specifically for PD though, but it hurts my eyes. i think it's the anti-aliasing in it, i can't play it for more than 10 minutes at a time, so consequently i haven't played it much.
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[realitybites]

[quote="Jibbs"]Majoaras mask real time system didnt affect the gameplay negatively and certainly wasnt tedious.When you use the slow down time song.......whatever it was.......you had a good......oh....id estimate......4-5 hours between the start of day one and the end of day three.If you cant accomplish beating a certain dungeon or whatever you need too do in that space of time......well i dont know what to say to you.

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Glad you enjoyed though I didn't.

[Spanca]

With regards to the list above, I'd be VERY surprised if OOT did so badly as #8 on the list!
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[Infested Jibbs]

I know theres a lot of Sam&Max fans here, and going off the top 100, alot of Day of the tentacle fans too.

If you are one of those, youll find this interesting..

http://realgamer.com.au/browseCatalog.do;jsessionid=410080BF44C33D8177E911BED781FC07?action=Navigate&productId=1097&cPath=

If this is old news or 'so last week' then simply pretend i didnt post it.If it isnt though, forward all cookies to-

Jibbs,
Care of the Pentagon


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[DancesInUnderwear]

22 for Yoshi's Island? Thats crazy. You are all crazy.

...or, perhaps I'm crazy, as only 2 of my list have showed up so far (YI and SMK), and they were kinda low.

Nah, its you guys that are crazy.
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[vegeta]

spanca...It's more based on my bias than what I'd put my money on...I doubt if many of them will be that accurate or even there anyway....if original sonic has already been i'll swap it with earthworm jim just for fun....has no hope but whateva!
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[craptest]

As many have already pointed out - a number of games I'd expect to see in the top 1-20 are in the top 21-40. If HALO, PONG or GTAsan get the number 1 spot I'll be burning my computer.

Regardless its always a fun read. Top 'anything' lists I mean. I didnt agree with EDGE, gamespy of IGN. So why would this list be any different.

I have a feeling that the top 20 will be populated by mostly recent games reflecting the voters current playing habits and not necessarily the best software. Sure - quality is generally improving - at least in terms of production values. So you could argue that it makes sense to see the top 20 populated by games of thsi generation (assuming it will be). But there's a reason most film polls put a 'no last 5 years' rule when they do their film 'top 100'. (Sight & sound have a 10 year exclusion for example). It's called the benefit of hindsight*. Though I wouldnt suggest a 10 year exclusion for video games (LOL) a 3 year cut off point would do a pretty good job of removing pretenders from the list. And if in another 3 years these games are still rated so highly, still being discussed and held up as achievements in the medium even after their graphics have lost all sparkle- people can vote for them then.

*(Nostalgia is the evil force out to destroy 'the benefit of hindsight' )

Whatever right? Well I wait to see what will make up the top 20. My eyes are set to roll Im sure.

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[Chris-Leigh]

Just wanted to sat there'll be a slight delay in getting the 20-6 edition of the chart up - it'll now appear on Thursday 10th November, rather than Wednesday 9th as I originally stated. Sorry chaps - just thought I'd keep everyone updated, and I look forward to reading your reactions to the next piece.

[David]

Good point craptest. I'd say a two year exclusion would be eneough - but it might not work, since there are so many sequels areound these days, earlier games in series may get proxy votes for the latest hit version - eg all Halo 1 and 2's votes would go to Halo 1, and we'd see Burnout 2 in the top 10.

[Greymist]

I don't agree with a cut off point.

A lot of my all times favorite games are games from earlier than 2002, if you want to have a cut off point than the title should read top 100 games from 2002 onwards, otherwise you are discriminating against people that prefer older games.

[Capoeira]

^ he actually means a list where only votes can be made for games before 2002, not after. So bascially none of the current generation games can be voted for. Which is something I totally don't agree with, but that's just me. Developers have put just as much hard work into making these games, if not more. They deserve to be recognised, not disregarded.
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[Greymist]

Oopps wrong direction, point still stands but in reverse.

[craptest]

[Infested Jibbs]

Well they will get there props cap, just 2 years from now when we will envitabely do another top 100

I like craptest's idea though, its tops.I reckon instead of a 2 or 5 year exclusion, just exclude all current gen games.
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