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11 Jun, 2007

Church of England unhappy at Sony

PS3 News | Apology wanted.
According to the BBC the Church of England is rather unhappy at Sony because the Manchester Cathedral is used as a backdrop in Resistance: Fall of Man.

The debate is whether Sony sought permission to use the Church as a backdrop. Sony has stated that they "all permissions necessary" whereas the Church thinks Sony didn't ask for permission. The cathedral's David Marshall said Church leaders would meet to draft a letter with a few specific requests. The demands include an apology from Sony for using the cathedral and the withdrawal of the game or modification of the section of the game to remove the cathedral.

The Church would also like Sony to support other groups in fighting against gun crime and for Sony to make a "substantial donation" from the game's profits "allowing the cathedral's education department to target more effectively those aged 18 to 30".

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19 Comments
4 years ago
So they're demanding money from Resistance for their own religious propaganda?
4 years ago
Here comes the donation plate...
4 years ago
hey heres a neat idea, lets totally railroad a game and try make em give us money
hey thats a damn good idea...

i wonder what god needs all these donations for anyways....
4 years ago
Church of England wrote
and for Sony to make a "substantial donation" from the game's profits "allowing the cathedral's education department to target more effectively those aged 18 to 30".
Just what I thought icon_wink.gif

Edit: lol, too slow
4 years ago
shouldn't 'sony seeked permission' be 'sony sought permission'?
4 years ago
whether its inside or outside the cathedral, it shouldnt really matter in my opinion, does that mean that every game that has recreated a landmark needs to pay for it?

Sim City would be broke, was it total annihalation in the 90s that had sydney landmarks you could blow up? what about true crime streets of LA? they are missing the message i think. Resistance is about saving the world from an alien species isnt it? not about killing things in a house of god. This story is rediculous. Sony dont owe anyone an apology on this one.
4 years ago
God this fkn **** me. What is it with all these dam screwballs tryn to take a bite out of Sony recently.
4 years ago
This is the one time I'm going to be rooting for Sony all the way if this goes to court.

Can big organizations, corporations, religions, whatever, STOP bullying the games industry? The same thing happens in movies all the time (showing landmarks or whatever), I don't see them taking on the big studios. Thats right, as usual, pick on the little kid.

Afaik the only copyright image of a building there is, is the Eiffel tower at night (correct me if I'm wrong).

And if they don't think their demands are too demanding (the Church of England) then they need their heads read. I'm not even going to get started on the demand for a donation - this is just a money grabbing opportunity.

If it had been the Catholic Church complaining about the featuring of eg the Basilica in a game, then right now I'd be denouncing my faith. Thank God (heh) for that.
4 years ago
As I don't have the game, I can't be sure, but I would think there would be a disclaimer on loading about depictions of real life places/people not intended to be interpreted as whatever, or saying that all locations are fictional, whether or not they are based on real places. This should exempt Sony from any problems. They should sit until a court order is issued. (not likely) icon_rolleyes.gif
4 years ago
lordofthesheep wrote
As I don't have the game, I can't be sure, but I would think there would be a disclaimer on loading about depictions of real life places/people not intended to be interpreted as whatever, or saying that all locations are fictional, whether or not they are based on real places. This should exempt Sony from any problems. They should sit until a court order is issued. (not likely) icon_rolleyes.gif
That's called fraudulence. icon_razz.gif

You can only say that if it IS a coincidence.
4 years ago
i think this is actually quite an interesting case.

i don't know whether Sony (or the developers of RFOM, more specifically) got permission, or what, but the case does open a fairly significant can of worms for the gaming industry.

in Films and TV (in the UK, US and Au anyway), permission must be sought for location shooting. not just to be in the area, and potentially disrupt normal business, but for using locations at all. just like the makers of film/tv need release forms for everyone in shot too (there are some limitations on this, if it's a large crowd scene, or whatever).

so if film and tv makers need permission to use the exterior of a building in a shot, why should videogames be any different?

from what i understand, the game quite clearly identifies the cathedral as Manchester Cathedral during the level (correct me if i'm wrong, i haven't actually played the level in question) and the layout is purportedly reasonably true-to-life, so it is essentially a film-set.

now here is where the case becomes interesting.
i'm pretty sure that the film-set analogy is what will propel this case, since i don't think you need permission to replicate a real setting within a film studio.
so no permission would've been needed to make the Colosseum in Gladiator, or The Old Bailey in V for Vendetta, for examples, since they were never actually filmed, whereas The Jury was actually filmed within The Old Bailey, so permission would've needed to have been sought to use it.
i'm not sure whether permission is legally required to use the name of the places though, or if it's merely a courtesy deal.

so anyway, i find this case quite interesting.
4 years ago
Passa wrote
Afaik the only copyright image of a building there is, is the Eiffel tower at night (correct me if I'm wrong).
I don’t know if the following reflects binding legal principal or not, however:
the King Kong games state wrote
The Empire State Building design is a trademark of Empire State Building Company LLC and is used with permission.
My guess is that this trademark is used for closing rival tourist traps cashing in on their hype rather than to hassle media companies. icon_rolleyes.gif

Back on topic:
In Australian law I believe the retailer must take responsibility for a product when dealing with a customer; the wholesaler must take responsibility when dealing with a retailer; the importer must take responsibility when dealing with a wholesaler etc.

Is their a reason (other than possible ignorance) they are naming Sony rather than Insomniac?
4 years ago
PimpHat wrote
Is their a reason (other than possible ignorance) they are naming Sony rather than Insomniac?
Good point since Insomnia aren't first or second party developers to Sony. I'm sure Sony have some responsibilities however and if this was a formal procedding then they'll both be in the spotlight.

@ Obs: I'm very intersted in how this pans out too. May games earn the right to replicate anything they wish and have me taking down terrorists at Tullamarine airport etc. ? Very interesting indeed.
4 years ago
PimpHat wrote
Is their a reason (other than possible ignorance) they are naming Sony rather than Insomniac?
Money. icon_razz.gif

it could possibly be mis-reporting on someone's behalf. people know who "Sony" is, but only a (metaphorical) handful know Insomniac by name.

i think Insomniac is also a second-party developer, so they mightn't even own the IPs they create.
4 years ago
Eyce wrote
So they're demanding money from Resistance for their own religious propaganda?
What else do you expect from a religious institution? Next thing you know the Catholic Church will issue a patent on crucifixes icon_lol.gif
4 years ago
I suppose they could be thinking that Sony, as the publisher, has the most power over censorship, level removal etc. Also, it might actually be Sony's responsibility to make sure all published material is legal. I don't know.
4 years ago
4 years ago
lordofthesheep wrote
I suppose they could be thinking that Sony, as the publisher, has the most power over censorship, level removal etc. Also, it might actually be Sony's responsibility to make sure all published material is legal. I don't know.
Nah, they are just ignorant icon_razz.gif (although probably correct in pointing the finger at Sony, but that was just lucky on their half. If it had been Rainbow Six Vegas or something then they would have contacted Microsoft I bet..)

EDIT: El Taco, I have no idea what you are going on about heh icon_smile.gif
4 years ago
Yeah the last bit was mainly the gist of it, it is a very bad comic. Paint + 5 Minutes = Rushed Comic.
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