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Jeremy Jastrzab
04 Feb, 2006

Some PS3 information slips through

PS3 News | About online, multimedia and ... a release window?
If there is one area in gaming that Microsoft have the current advantage, it’s with Xbox Live. Still, how long did you think Sony were going to put with this? According to the latest issue of PSM, a US publication, this is all about to change in the next-generation.

It looks like Sony are determined "go way beyond mimicking Xbox Live". Apparently, it’s going to be called PlayStation Network and it’s not just in the business of offering matchmaking and ranking lists. No, according to the information that has been circulating, you will be able to download music and movies using an service not unlike the iTunes Store and you will be able to use the console as a Location Free Player. What on Earth does that mean? It supposed to meant you can upload stuff from your PS3 – such as a DVD or Blu-Ray movie – onto your PSP.

The online service isn’t the only new thing that the PS3 will look to offer. In terms of multimedia, the PS3 will be able to function like a digital video recorder. That means you’ll be able to digitally record your favourite TV shows, similar to systems like Sky+ and TiVo or for the uninitiated, it’s like recording with old-school VHS tapes only open to many more options. Interestingly, Sony reckons that the fact that the PS3 will play Blu-Ray discs shouldn’t push up the price too much. Somehow, Cell is meant to be taking care of things for the most part, meaning there is no need to be paying as much as you would for a Blu-Ray player in itself. Still, Blu-Ray players currently retail at up to $US1000 (though consumer electronics markups are massive, so take it with a grain of salt - Ed.), so how much less will it really be?

Other pieces of information that have slipped through include the news that PS3 dev kits run faster than what was originally predicted (yay?), there are apparently “loads” of games in development and the PS3 will receive firmware updates just like the PSP. Finally, US developers are being told to prepare for an autumn release. So what does this mean for PAL gamers? Summer for Europeans and Winter for Aussies in 2007, if history repeats.

Unfortunately, we’re going to have to wait till E3 before any of this is actually confirmed. However, if we get any news, we’ll be sure to pass it on.

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31 Comments
8 years ago
Yeah the scans were [posted over at the mygen and psforums, i cant wait to see what sony have planned, i said from day 1 they wouldnt mess up online again, lets hope what they bring out is truly innovative.
8 years ago
Sounds interesting. Online doesn't really interest me much due to lack of any fast internet, but the multimedia features sound rather nifty.
8 years ago
It's quite an ambitious nextwork, but if Sony wants us to download stuff and use the PS3 as a PVR, they'd better make a LARGE HDD standard.
8 years ago
Excellent, very imformative.
Very promising as well.
8 years ago
A few years ago, Sony stated that the company was going to release an updated version of the Playstation 2 called the PSX that supported such things as TiVo and a hard drive. Who knows that happened to it? But from the sounds of things, it looks like Sony knows what it's doing when it comes to adding features for the Playstation 3.

Though, come to think of it, the PSX is probably the little brother of the Playstation 3.
8 years ago
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Who knows that happened to it?
The PSX was rather quickly discontinued. The rather prohibitive price point and saturation of the PS2 at that point in time lead to apathy on behalf of the consumers. It was released in Japan in 160GB and 250GB models.
8 years ago
You know what I'd like from a games console? The ability to play games. That's all I need.

That being said, some of those features look pretty nice.
8 years ago
Matt wrote
The PSX was rather quickly discontinued.
That sucks. As it would be nice to own a Playstation 2 with all the bells and whistles.
8 years ago
Well its better than the current online Sony service. You don't have to "innovative" its nice but you just have to have a very good interface.

The biggest problem and I agree (why can't it just be a games console) is when you have the swiss army knife approach some things tend not to get implemented correctly. This doesn't just apply to Sony or MS.

Using Sony as an example the original PS2 DVD playback was very ordinary and the fan was very loud. Making it not a very wise choice as a DVD player. All these have been fixed by the way and if you have the slimline (like me) than there is no noise.

Do we need another mechanism for downloading MP3s?

The "on again, off again" HD standards saga is also disconcerting for end users. Be honest I don't care who wins as long as the end users don't lose.

Here is hoping the experience from the PSX will give the user a nice PVR interface.

Sony should deliver a better and more consistent interface this time around.
8 years ago
realitybites wrote
Using Sony as an example the original PS2 DVD playback was very ordinary and the fan was very loud. Making it not a very wise choice as a DVD player. All these have been fixed by the way and if you have the slimline (like me) than there is no noise.
the difference is though, that at the time of the PS2's launch, DVD players were still very expensive, $500+ for the most basic model, a price most people considered too high, yet for $700, you got a basic DVD player and a game console in one, and one that continued to play all those old PSone games too, so people rationalised the cost.

it was a fairly wise move on Sony's part, as i'm sure many people chose the PS2 over other consoles at the time for this reason. now, it wouldn't work so well since you can pick up a decent DVD player from Kmart for $60.

i agree with you on the dling MP3s front.
8 years ago
I hope some of that is true....generally I think this about the PS3:
At the very least its going to be a good system, at the very best its an all-in-one-wonderbox-thats-pure-sex. So much potential....
8 years ago
ObsoletE wrote
it was a fairly wise move on Sony's part, as i'm sure many people chose the PS2 over other consoles at the time for this reason. now, it wouldn't work so well since you can pick up a decent DVD player from Kmart for $60.
Isn't the theory the same now, but with Blu-ray instead of DVD? I'm pretty sure sony wants the PS3 to be a big part of pushing blu-ray onto the world.
8 years ago
"PS3 will have online service that blows the doors off Xbox live "

Sounds good to me, this new service sounds like it's going to be great. Lose the music crap though, who needs it. Watch out Microsoft!

Adam icon_biggrin.gif
8 years ago
EvilHayama wrote
ObsoletE wrote
it was a fairly wise move on Sony's part, as i'm sure many people chose the PS2 over other consoles at the time for this reason. now, it wouldn't work so well since you can pick up a decent DVD player from Kmart for $60.
Isn't the theory the same now, but with Blu-ray instead of DVD? I'm pretty sure sony wants the PS3 to be a big part of pushing blu-ray onto the world.
It does raise the question as to whether people want blu-ray as much as they wanted dvds 5 years ago, though, since, to me, it doesn't seem that the move from dvd to blu-ray is anywhere near as notable as the jump from vhs to dvd. (and if its not true, then I'd think my opinion is probably a fairly common one in the general public).

That being said, the hardrive recording could be a big draw for it - I'd love one of those TiVo / Foxtel IQ / etc things.
8 years ago
I'm certainly looking forward to Blu-Ray, it's going to make DVD look pathetic! X360's storage is too dated, textures have to be compressed and it just won't look as good as the fully optimised PS3 is going to. A lot of people agree with this. Blu-Ray is going to open new doors.

Adam
8 years ago
EvilHayama wrote
ObsoletE wrote
it was a fairly wise move on Sony's part, as i'm sure many people chose the PS2 over other consoles at the time for this reason. now, it wouldn't work so well since you can pick up a decent DVD player from Kmart for $60.
Isn't the theory the same now, but with Blu-ray instead of DVD? I'm pretty sure sony wants the PS3 to be a big part of pushing blu-ray onto the world.
Yeah, but to get any benefit from Blu-ray over DVD you have to buy a new, very expensive TV. DVD was the upgrade of a 15-20 year old technology that was only even the budget version of that - VHS. VHS tapes only ran at about half TV resolution (that's why tapes look sort of blurry compared to live TV), and quality dropped quickly with age. DVD had some huge advantages over VHS on the TVs everyone already had - it finally ran at the full TV res, has the chapter search and menus, special features, subtitles, extra languages etc. DVDs are also cheaper to produce then Tapes. Best of all, DVDs were really just a mass market upgrade of a semi proven technology (lazerdisc).

Blu Ray (and HD DVD) have no new advantages over DVD except higher image quality, and then only when you buy a new TV. On a regular TV, Blu ray has basically NO advantages over DVD, and is at least twice as expensive to produce.

Put it this way - companies have been trying for years to move music to another format better then CD. The only real moves by consumers have been to formats with lower sound quality like ipods and mp3 players. What makes the studios think everyone will jump up and replace their video format, which is 10 years younger then it's audio equivalent?

The movie studios have just gotten greedy. They all got rich in the last few years because with the DVD boom they were able to make huge ammounts of money selling all their old movies again on DVD. Now they want everyone to buy them all again, just a couple of years later? It's not gonna happen!.

I think Sony should pull Blu-ray from the PS3, it could seriously backfire. It will add huge cost to the console without any real benefeit to games - 9 GB is already huge, but if you reallyneed more room, just go multi disc. Blu-ray has no chance of being anywhere near as successful as DVD. IMO at best Blu ray will end up as an enthusiast medium like lazerdisc, but at worst it will be a dodo like 'Super Audio CD', 'Digital Cassette', 'Divx', or... wait for it...

...Betamax.
8 years ago
David wrote
Betamax.
I though the Betamax incident was different than 'releasing a new format in only a few years'. From what I've heard it was more like two different formats being released at the same time, and one being better marketed (VHS) even though the other one was better quality (Betamax)... Similar to how Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are coming out now.
8 years ago
tootie_kicks wrote
David wrote
Betamax.
I though the Betamax incident was different than 'releasing a new format in only a few years'. From what I've heard it was more like two different formats being released at the same time, and one being better marketed (VHS) even though the other one was better quality (Betamax)... Similar to how Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are coming out now.
It was, but it's just an example of a 'good' format failing because the company was telling people what to buy, rather then listening to what they want.
8 years ago
Hey David, you're missing the main point of Blu-Ray. They can hold 5x the amount of a DVD: 25GB! Image games being made using that format. You'll never need more than one disc again! Developers could make enourmous games that not only look fantastic, but are also very long. Blu-Ray is pretty revolutionary as a new form of media.

Adam icon_biggrin.gif
8 years ago
admeister wrote
Hey David, you're missing the main point of Blu-Ray. They can hold 5x the amount of a DVD: 25GB! Image games being made using that format. You'll never need more than one disc again! Developers could make enourmous games that not only look fantastic, but are also very long. Blu-Ray is pretty revolutionary as a new form of media.

Adam icon_biggrin.gif
No, you're missing the point. It's about movies, not games. Which is the bigger market, PS2 or DVD (hint - less then 0.1% of DVD players are game consoles). Sony is forcing Blu-ray on the games division in the hope of becoming Movie King.

And given many PS2 games still come on CD, I think you may be overstating the point for games, too.
8 years ago
I don't know about that, there's not that much point in using Blu-Ray for movies, you could put about 5 of them on those discs. I think they're just trying to show that they can be used for things other than movies. I don't expect to see movies on Blu-Ray for a while yet, Sony wants to break them in with games, I think. If you win people over that way, they'll be more likely to be interested in its movie capabilities. I'm not saying that all the developers will immediately bring out their games on Blu-Ray, but they want to get the technology out there, and available, and then developers will warm to it eventually, just like with DVD.

Adam icon_biggrin.gif
8 years ago
admeister wrote
I don't know about that, there's not that much point in using Blu-Ray for movies, you could put about 5 of them on those discs. I think they're just trying to show that they can be used for things other than movies. I don't expect to see movies on Blu-Ray for a while yet, Sony wants to break them in with games, I think. If you win people over that way, they'll be more likely to be interested in its movie capabilities. I'm not saying that all the developers will immediately bring out their games on Blu-Ray, but they want to get the technology out there, and available, and then developers will warm to it eventually, just like with DVD.
Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are all about movies. The point of Blu-Ray is that it's big enough to fit a master copy onto the disc. That means threater quality right at home icon_biggrin.gif However for games, it's just a gimmick, as I said in another thread games will fit easily onto DVD for a while yet. The only noteable exceptions will probably Japanese games who love to use lots of pre-rendered cut-scenes.

The media and movie studios are rushing and praising Blu-Ray because it means they can charge "premium" prices for the stuff they put on them.
8 years ago
I remember reading someone about a "choose your own adventure" movie that is going straight to DVD.

*scurries off to find it*

Here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460746/

So, these kind of movies, where lots of different paths and endings are filmed require more disc space for more alternate paths = would go really well on a blu-ray disc.
8 years ago
Is a much bigger capacity a gimmick? Sure games it on DVD, but with consoles like X360 and PS3, they have to be compressed, which lowest the quality/ amount of stuff they can put it. DVD is old technology now, Blu-Ray and things like it are the future. I know what you mean about the movies, and the master copy, and I know sony are a company who make things like DVD players, but you have to look past that to Blu-Ray's potential. It will be very useful for gaming, mark my words. Next gen systems need a next gen media. Developers can keep squashing games onto DVD's, but I've read articles where X360 game developers have been complaining about the limited space, and so they have had to put their games on multiple DVDs. It shows. Games are getting much more complex and they need a media adapted to that.

Adam icon_biggrin.gif
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