Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare trailer released

Dammit. I traded my copy in. I really shouldn't rebuy it just for this.

But zombies...

I both love and absolutely hate that that's coming out. Shouldn't that have been, I don't know, what they released to begin with? Grrr...

Downloadable Discontent amirite?

Not the zombie stuff. That's the only bit of DLC that looks like a substantial addition to the game.

All 3 peices of multiplayer DLC on the other hand stink of pre-planned, post release revenue scrounging. IIRC, the game was barely out before they were announced. That's the sort of thing that will always leave a bad taste with me and have me asking those questions.

When it comes down to it, I'd rather weather a belated release date and get a complete game rather than wait for the the devs to nickle and dime for the stuff that 'couldn't make release'. It escapes me why people are OK with the latter. What exactly would the wait cost you?

DLC; DIAF.

Oh, well in that case...

That changes nothing. DLC is still the bane of the new gen. I know nothing I say will change a thing but better out then in right? If only that applied to DLC too...

Whoa, I've been misinterpreted. I wasn't directing my anger at the guys in the trenches, (although I see that I wrote 'devs'... oops). I know they're the unsung heroes of the industry. My beef is most definitely not with them. I'm pointing the finger at whoever makes that call; the suits, pencil pushers, the fat cats et al...

I actually heard a rumour that Rockstar wanted to release some of that multiplayer stuff for free, like they did with that co-op pack, but Microsoft's DLC model wouldn't allow it. Something about only so much free DLC allowed per game on XBox Live. I'll see if I can hunt that info down...

Planning for DLC, presumably before development even begins is f***ing terrible! Instead of putting content into the game, they're preemptively sectioned off into post-release premium packs. Can't you see how that's a bad thing?!

Before DLC, most things would have made the cut. Now there's the opportunity to hold back and release stuff later and ask a price. I'm not saying that content is completed and then held back for later release, (although I'm sure this does happen; I'm looking at you Bioware), I'm saying the option is now there and developers* are running wild with it. Hell, they'd be stupid not to. They're running a business and who would say no to more money. It makes sense. For them.

As a consumer though, it's total bullsh!t. We are being exploited and nobody seems to give a ****. It drives me up the f***ing wall. To quote a certain manic detective: '[They're] pissing all over us. [They're] pissing on you. What does it taste like? 'Cause you know what, it tastes like piss to me.'

You're putting words in my mouth. I love Rockstar and RDR. What I don't love is being expected to pay $30 for extraneous crap. Those so called 'features' are hardly worth the asking price either. While I never support this sort of thing by paying up, the problem is that people do. That sends a message, and that message is, 'Please keep pissing on us! HURRR...' Bastards have ruined it for the rest of us.

Btw, if I'm coming across as a cynical arsehole, it's because I'm a cynical arsehole

Poor word choice. That should have read 'asked'. Point still stands though. It doesn't matter if you or I don't support it; the problem is that a lot of people do, and it's not helping anything.

I'm ok with DLC if the value proposition is worthwhile. It's a damn shame this is rarely the case. The vast majority of DLC (if not the sort of thing normally included with the game), is worthless, over-priced **** and because people keep throwing money at it, that's what we're going to continue to see. Map packs that split online communities. Exclusive weapons that give unfair advantage to those willing to pay for it. Character skins that... just.. no.

I could go on but I feel we'll just keep going round in circles. My previous post pretty much said everything I feel about the subject. I rather just leave it at that and not run the risk of having an aneurysm...

Not every change. Just this one. And for something that has arguably made the most significant impact on game design to date, I think it's one worth getting concerned about.