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21 Comments

i_zombieman

4 years ago

We don't get Marvel Universe but we get this? WTH?

Skiller

4 years ago

Any game with superman is instant fail IMO, pretty all fights involving superman would boil down to:

superman vs anyone without kryptonite = superman win
superman vs anyone with kryptonite = superman lose

JD-Ferel

4 years ago

I'm a Marvel camper; always have been. But I do follow a fair bit of DC also.
And I just don't get this. Why not just label it City of Heroes/Villians 2: DC Ed.??
Maybe I'm missing the point??

ittekimasu

4 years ago

is that last pic supposed to be joker mixed with superman?

Benza

4 years ago

Skiller wrote

Try reading a superman comic and not just going off the perception of him in popular culture? Christopher Reeves movies and Superdickery are not an acurate representation of Superman.

Plenty of people in the DC universe can thrash superman. Hell most of the Justice League could kick his arse. Martian Man Hunter, The Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, they could all pretty much destroy him if they set there mind to it.

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is that last pic supposed to be joker mixed with superman?

*sigh* God no wonder people compalin about DC, they don't know anything about it.

Thats Bizzaro, an alternate universe version (Or mutated clone depending on what you read) of superman, talks with really bizzare speech "Me am bizzaro" has opposite powers (Ice vision, heat breath etc) and basicly tries to be the complete opposite of Superman.

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And I just don't get this. Why not just label it City of Heroes/Villians 2: DC Ed.??
Maybe I'm missing the point??

Cause it's not City of Heroes. The city of heroes developers got bought out by Marvel to deveolop the marvel MMO if memory servers, from what I've seen this plays like more of an action game.

matrix-cat

4 years ago

So... I don't get this one bit. Are there going to be a million Batmans running around, or do you create your own character? Perhaps I should say are there going to be a million Batmans or a million Batman clones?

stick_theory

4 years ago

i_zombieman wrote

We don't get Marvel Universe but we get this? WTH?

we get marvel universe under the title of champions online. when marvel bailed, the devs kept everything they did and changed it champions. essentially the same game.

@ Benza:

lol
the only complaint i have about dc is that its taking too much audience from marvel

btw, i dont read comics and i still know how much marvel owns

Benza

4 years ago

matrix-cat wrote

Original charecters, Batman is like a quest giver kind of like Thrall or any of the major lore charecter in Warcraft.

Champions is actually an existing universe allready so it's not really Marvel Universe, Champions is like the DnD of Comics, it's a table top RPG with superpowers and shit.

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btw, i dont read comics and i still know how much marvel owns

For the most part yeah, marvel are better then DC, there are a couple of books DC put out that are just fucking epic. Marvel have only ever gotten that close with Anihlation.

Skiller

4 years ago

Benza wrote

Yer I'm just going off what I know from movies/TV series. So what's different in the comics? From what I've seen in movies/TV he is pretty much invincible with way too many super powers, even if there's 1 character that's better than him in one way superman's better in in too many others. For instance if there was some guy strong enough to snap superman in two, superman could just fly and freeze or incinerate him with no risk at all. IMO from movies/TV the only weakness superman has other than kryptonite is that he is a sappy coward too stupid to take advantage of his powers.

( holy cow, debating comic book characters in a gaming forum, I don't think I've ever been more nerdy :O

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Benza

4 years ago

Supermans major weakness in comics is actually magic. Anything magical effects him like it would anyone else. Considering the amount of major magical charecters in the DC universe thats a pretty big weakness.
Yeah theres Kryptonite but it's pretty rare.
There is also Red Sun radiation wich renders him powerless, but again pretty rare.

The whole being too powerfull with way too many powers comes from the silver age of comcis in the 60's were he was pretty much litteraly an unkillable god. Today he's got super strength, super speed heat vision, flight etc, but not to the point were he's that much stronger then everyone else.

He's in the top tier of strenght but up there so is Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Dakrseid, Doomsday and a whole bunch of other heavy hitters. His superspeed is around the speed of sound, compared to say a Flash that can go faster then the speed of light (And logic) or a Green Lantern wich can do intersteller travel pretty quickly. The freezing breath is basicly just a really cold wind, wich would make you chilly or icey but anyone with decent resiliance would shrug it off, he almost never uses his heat vision because he doesn't want to hurt people, but even then against a big threat it doesn't really do much.

If we were putting him in fighting game terms, he'd be Zangief or Astroth, big slow bruiser charecter. (Yeah he's got superspeed but fucking everyone does these days and most people can go faster then him)

If you really want to look at Godhax charecters in the DC universe, The Flash or Alan Scott (Original Golden age Green Lantern) are probbably two of the most godhax charecters around.

jashman

4 years ago

Benza wrote

*sigh* God no wonder people compalin about DC, they don't know anything about it.

Yeah Benza, you tell em!

Too many people go off what they've seen from the movies. Imagine people started talking about videogames just because they've seen Doom and Max Payne?! Or any other crappy game/movie translation!

The film industry is quite bad at turning one media into film, they get some right, but majority they get very very wrong.

The film and TV series makers who try and handle DC have bombed out majority of the time, which is probably they haven't got the best reputation.

I have to admit I am more of a fan of DC than Marvel, but I do read comics from both camps. The DC characters in my opinion seem more gritty, whereas Marvel characters are a bit more on the sensationalism side of the field.

That's just my take on it.

Benza

4 years ago

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I have to admit I am more of a fan of DC than Marvel, but I do read comics from both camps. The DC characters in my opinion seem more gritty, whereas Marvel characters are a bit more on the sensationalism side of the field.

The way I see it Marvel comics tend to maintain an averge level of quality, there mostly good with some suck, were as DC vary wildly from being fucking spectacular to absolutly god awful, Marvel never really reaches the heights that DC does (Killing Joke springs to mind) but it never really sinks to the lows (Superman 2: Electric Boogaloo)

genxevo

4 years ago

Benza wrote

Supermans major weakness in comics is actually magic.

NO.. its Lois Lane! explanation? -> blah blah blah identity crisis, blah blah blah Infinite Crisis.. blah blah blah OMAC saga..

Marvel Comics use to be infinitely (ha!) better than DC comics, but in the past few years (Say since 2002/2003) DC have have lifted their game significantly.

Marvel use to have dark, flawed characters and most of the time the comics would try to 'humanise' the heroes. DC in the past use to have their heroes in impossible situations and then somehow the heroes use to work it out and it ended in happy rainbos and camp music (with the exception of some story lines like when Robin 2 died). Now they actually have moved on darker themes with excellent writing

These days the comic companies are basically on par, they have darker themes, heroes with "the ends justify the means" mentality AND most of their recent storylines are about the people they serve, turning against them (DC -> infinite crisis, Marvel -> civil war). Marvel would still be on top i'd say because of their "Ultimate Marvel" brand, and their awesome writers like kirkman, bendis and millar
And another big thing is both companies have EPIC sagas where they make OCD people like me buy 'tie-ins' to the saga by putting the stuff (usually VERY minscule) in the comic books i don't usually buy.

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/start topic talk
DC MMO will be great, but since both companies, Marvel and DC, haven't had great sucess in the games in the past, they should have done a joint effort to have both licences in the one game with one developer. I mean they share writers, have crossovers from time to time why not one game. it could have been more huge than WoW, and generate more interest in backstory of their characters and more interest in comics (which is dying a slow death due to internet and tv)

Benza

4 years ago

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Marvel would still be on top i'd say because of their "Ultimate Marvel" brand, and their awesome writers like kirkman, bendis and millar

2 years ago yeah
Now, god no.

Ultimate X-men has been axed, Ultimates is being ruined by Loebb, I think Spideys the only one still going.

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more interest in comics (which is dying a slow death due to internet and tv)

It's dying due to lack of availability (Only available in specialised comic stores as opposed to everywere) and the companies constant pandering to fanboys.

The Genius

4 years ago

Benza wrote

It's dying due to lack of availability (Only available in specialised comic stores as opposed to everywere) and the companies constant pandering to fanboys.

Touche'.

The last comic I read officially is Tin Tin and that was when I was a little kid.
Been looking for those comics now and can't find em in stores.

Why don't these companies not sell comic books in stores like other mags like Women's Day or whatever?

Benza

4 years ago

The Genius wrote

Benza wrote

It's dying due to lack of availability (Only available in specialised comic stores as opposed to everywere) and the companies constant pandering to fanboys.

Well it all happened before my time but this is my impression of what happened anyway. During the late 80’s and 90’s comics became mega huge, people like Todd McFarlane and Rob Lifield were becoming mega rich super stars and formed the Image comic label wich was all about creator owned stories (They’re the people that Publish Spawn) This was around the same time that the “HOLY SHIT VIOLENCE IS FUCKING AWESOME! GRIM DAAAAAAAAARK!” movement was going on in comics. So these mega successful comics really weren’t suitable for kids and shit and they weren’t sold in supermarkets and shit anymore (Were comics used to be available) so to fill the gap a whole bunch of speciality comic stores opend up. (They’d always been around with shit like 2000AD and Heavy Metal Fakk but they weren’t the place you went to buy Superman or Spiderman)
The major companies at some point stopped releasing comics in supermarkets altogether and went over to only doing the speciality stores.

Of course by the end of the 90’s comic readers realised that most of the stuff being put out was absolute shit, grim dark thankfully started to die off Todd McFarlane his millions on Baseball memrobilia and people realised Lifield is one of the worst comic artists that has ever lived. Everything came crashing down but the whole speciality store only mentality remained and has been slowly killing off comics.

On TinTin though, if you don’t know were your local comic book stores are (If it’s anything like Brisbane they’re in the most bizarre out of the way places…) I’d check somewere like Borders.

ObsoletE

4 years ago

Benza wrote

people like Todd McFarlane and Rob Lifield were becoming mega rich super stars and formed the Image comic label wich was all about creator owned stories (They’re the people that Publish Spawn)

it's amusing to think that they ended up doing the same thing as the other large labels, such that when Neil Gaiman created Medieval Spawn, they retracted the "creator owned" thing and said that he'd created him under contract to Image, and so Medieval Spawn belonged to Image - no royalties for you.

i wish i still had all the Spawn, The Darkness and Witchblade comics i used to have. more because i wonder if they still stack up against how i remember them back then, or if i now think they're pretty naff, like i did when i re-read The Mask.

Fly

4 years ago

Benza wrote

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The way I see it Marvel comics tend to maintain an averge level of quality, there mostly good with some suck, were as DC vary wildly from being **** spectacular to absolutly god awful, Marvel never really reaches the heights that DC does (Killing Joke springs to mind) but it never really sinks to the lows (Superman 2: Electric Boogaloo)

Retconning. Marvel do a complete redesign and reformation of characters and spill them off to alternate universes held together by the Exiles line of comics initially. DC tend to simply just depower and then repower differently hence the constant flux of powered individuals (such as Flash's importance and Supes' depowering)

I actually don't mind the Marvel games, War of the Gems was pretty badass, Imperfects was nicely melded together and X-Men Legends + UA played really well as well as had impact on plot devices. DC games tend to be entirely cliche and linear where really they're geared towards the fans of DC as opposed to gamers (which was partially rectified with the MK v DC)

Good luck to them with this though, I mean I was looking forward to Marvel Online because the character models were nicely done (loved how Galactus looked in both that and in UA) honestly not much love for the DC universe so ending here.

Benza

4 years ago

holy shit I can't beleive the space fare never even occured to me in Marvel online. A raid against Galactus would have been THE MOST FUCKING AWESOME THING EVER!

genxevo

4 years ago

Benza wrote

2 years ago yeah
Now, god no.
Ultimate X-men has been axed, Ultimates is being ruined by Loebb, I think Spideys the only one still going.

Yeah true, the Ultimates brand was started to bring in new comers who watched the Xmen/spider-man movies that just came out in like 1999/2000. It still isn't too bad, i think it really appeals to whats gong on now (more in USA than aust)

Benza wrote

It's dying due to lack of availability (Only available in specialised comic stores as opposed to everywere) and the companies constant pandering to fanboys.

I never thought comics were huge here as they are in America. I went to and same-sex school and i was the only one reading them, thats why they probably aren't readily available here, but in america they're everywhere, its a national pastime even. But yeah i've read time and time again that the comic book writers always have to comepete with todays generation who own ipods, tv and have the internet. Another thing they makes me spend less on comics is the price tag.. $7aud for 10 minutes worth or reading, and the rest are ad gargh!

Benza

4 years ago

genxevo wrote

I talk to a lot of americans that read comics. The situation over there at the moment is pretty much the same as it is here. Comics are basicly a speciality item. They used to be huge but at the moment you have to find your dark dingy comic store in the middle of butt fuck nowere to get your stuff.

Yeah the 7$ is pretty rough, it's why I only buy trades now.

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