Ubisoft confirms whopping install for Haze

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Videogame publisher Ubisoft has revealed that gamers itching to get into the upcoming shooter Haze may be in for a bit of a wait before they can tuck in to what the game has to offer.

A representative of the publisher has revealed on the game's official forums that players "will need to go through a minimal install (about 4 Gigs)" before they are able to play it.

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Sinthesys

4 years ago

Michaellinn wrote

I don't get it, people complain about a lack of hard drive space, i'm assumeing most of them have the 40GB (and i'm not asking about the size of your hard drive so please, don't list it..) PS3 as it is the standard now. If you're so worried about how much space games use either stop buying them or get a larger hard drive, its not like its a difficult thing to replace the PS3's Hard Drive with a larger one, i did it in 5 minutes.

Sony decided to do the Install thing because it cuts down on the loading time, allowing more play time for people who have lives away from their consoles too.

So your solution to games installing on the hard drive is to stop buying games? Riiiiiight

Also, why should people have to buy new hard drives and have to fiddle around with hardware, install times and juggling what games they want to install on the limited space they have? I can't believe you think it's perfectly reasonable that Sony is forcing you to buy a new, bigger hard drive if you want to keep playing games. Why not just buy a PC?

admeister

4 years ago

Sinthesys wrote

Also, why should people have to buy new hard drives and have to fiddle around with hardware, install times and juggling what games they want to install on the limited space they have? I can't believe you think it's perfectly reasonable that Sony is forcing you to buy a new, bigger hard drive if you want to keep playing games.

They're not forcing you, juggling is perfectly feasible if you hate the idea of buying a HDD that much. It's not like Sony make money out of you buying a bigger HDD after all. Also don't lose sight of the fact that not every PS3 game is going to need a HDD installation, we should hopefully see less of them as time goes on, or they'll all be optional. I'll give $5 to the first person to give me proof that they've filled their PS3's entire HDD with mandatory game installs.

ObsoletE: But the question is, will those other 9 games come? We can only speculate, but I think taking it for granted that there will be a lot of other games with mandatory HDD installations is silly, we haven't got much to base that on, and I think the frequency of it will decrease as developers get to know the console better. Uncharted is definitely a good example of this. The PS3 is only just entering its second year, and all of these games that are requiring HDD installs were developed in the first year. I think the second year PS3 games will do much better in this regard.

ObsoletE

4 years ago

i don't think it's the idea of buying another HDD that Sinth hates, but rather the juggling, and his ire is a valid point.

and it's all well and good saying that 40GB is plenty right now (well, you've implied it) but another 9 games like Haze's 4GB install and you're into game juggling territory, which is pretty naff, and since this will be the 3rd game in 6 months to require an install, it won't be long at all until it is full. forgoing all DLC too.

Frozencry

4 years ago

admeister wrote

Sinthesys wrote

I have 8 Gigs left on my 60gb PS3.

It has a lot of other things too, but 70% of that space is all game data. I'm okay with it, but at the same time, I'd rather it not take up that much space.

Sinthesys

4 years ago

Obsolete is correct. Back in my poor PC gaming days, I had a 30 gig HD and 50 games. I never want to see those days again

. Also, games aren't getting smaller, so you have to remember that this sort of practice, which isn't that big of a problem now, will become more prevalent in the future. All I'm saying is it's a bad practice and should be an option, not a prerequisite. I weep for the day when console games have minimum requirements other than owning the console in question.

doofus

4 years ago

admeister wrote

Complaining that the PS3's HDD is too small isn't a particularly valid argument considering it's fully upgradeable to a larger size, all you have to do is buy a new HDD.

Why should upgrading the hardware in the console have to happen? It's just more money to spend in the end.

Jellyfish

4 years ago

admeister wrote

Complaining that the PS3's HDD is too small isn't a particularly valid argument considering it's fully upgradeable to a larger size, all you have to do is buy a new HDD.

So hang on, you rant and rave about Microsoft making the original Xbox too PC like, but you never had to upgrade anything. But then Sony does it and it's starting to look like you'll have to upgrade bits and pieces and that's perfectly okay?

Hypocrisy ho!

Passa

4 years ago

admeister wrote

Complaining that the PS3's HDD is too small isn't a particularly valid argument considering it's fully upgradeable to a larger size, all you have to do is buy a new HDD. It probably works out cheaper this way anyway, who knows how much Sony would charge for an 120GB PS3 for example.

Also, as mipac said, you can have around 10 3-4GB install games loaded onto just the standard 40GB HDD. That's a pretty good number, I'm sure nobody here has 10 PS3 games that need to perform a HDD installation. And if for example you had 11, well just delete one, surely you're not going to be playing 10 PS3 games at once? It's not like it gets rid of your save data, and you can just reinstall the game if you ever want to play it again.

You're missing the point admeister. It complicates the process of playing games on the PS3 - adding an additional and completely unnecessary step. The same step that makes playing PC games such a pain for many people - and in some way, contributing to the platform's shrinking popularity.

10 games on the HDD is an awful number. Quick scenario - I have friends over and they want to play an older multiplayer game I haven't fired up in some time. Since I only have space for 10 games, I need to delete one and then wait 5-10 minutes for the other game to install. This is contrary to the simplicity of console gaming.

Also - this leaves your PS3 HDD useless for anything else than holding game installs. Where do I keep PSN games, DLC, media files? Funny how many PS3 fanboys were talking about the 60GB PS3 vs the 20GB 360 after E3 2006..

admeister

4 years ago

doofus wrote

admeister wrote

Complaining that the PS3's HDD is too small isn't a particularly valid argument considering it's fully upgradeable to a larger size, all you have to do is buy a new HDD.

Why should upgrading the hardware in the console have to happen? It's just more money to spend in the end.

You may as well ask the same question of PCs. The reason is the same in both cases, sometimes you need more space. I'll admit things don't look so good at the moment, but I have faith that it will work out.

Of all the PS3 games currently released (I'll include Haze), there are 19 that require a mandatory install. Of these, 11 of them require under 1GB of space, and of these, 7 require under 100MB.

nikack: I know I wrote a fair bit about that, but I have no choice but to accept that consoles have HDDs now (well, not the Wii), and that they can indeed be beneficial. No point in living in the past.

Passa: Of course it lowers the simplicity a bit, but from the way some people talk you'd think every PS3 game required an install of 4GB or something. Then we'd really have a problem on our hands. The fact is that the majority of PS3 games do not require an install, and of those, quite a few are only minor. Let's not blow this whole thing out of proportion. You do make a valid point about the other things you might have on your PS3 HDD though, but hey, what you download is up to you, it's not the PS3/Sony's problem. If you want to store more stuff, you've been given the option of upgrading the HDD, Sony have just provided as much space as they can at a $700 price point.

Sinthesys: No, that's where you're wrong. We don't know that those numbers are going to get much larger, they might, but I think there's an equal chance that they might not. Whether a game requires an install seems to come down to what algorithm developers use, so if they get it right, there should be little to no need for mandatory installs.

Ugh: Agreed, that's the situation I hope we end up with.

Sinthesys

4 years ago

admeister wrote

People buy consoles so that they don't have to deal with the problems PC gamers face. By making the comparison, you are killing your own argument.

admeister wrote

Of all the PS3 games currently released (I'll include Haze), there are 19 that require a mandatory install. Of these, 11 of them require under 1GB of space, and of these, 7 require under 100MB.

You know those numbers are only going to get larger and this is going to turn into a problem that can't be solved by burying your head in the sand and wishing for more harddrives.

ugh the boot

4 years ago

GIVE US THE OPTION!! That's all I ask!

Frozencry

4 years ago

The whole mandatory install rubbish went down the gutter for me after witnessing Uncharted run perfectly without any of that, and DMC4 running just as well on the 360, without the mandatory 5GB install.

I'd say it's perfectly feasible for a game to run on the PS3 without the installs, and if it really is THAT badly needed, at least make it smaller.

Luke

4 years ago

I just want to say, i have no issues with installs as long as they are OPTIONAL.

I love the option, i hate the mandatory forced installs, especially when the same game on X360 doesn't require it (DMC, Lost Planet, GTA)

Passa

4 years ago

admeister wrote

I know I wrote a fair bit about that, but I have no choice but to accept that consoles have HDDs now (well, not the Wii), and that they can indeed be beneficial. No point in living in the past.

Living in the past? Having to pull apart your console and putting in a new HDD isn't even living in the past, since no other console before has been that user-unfriendly.

About mandatory installs tapering off - ****. It's only recently there has been a spate of them, and especially now that Rockstar got away with it, more developers are going to think they can do the same. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens on the 360 with HDD requirements - once a high profile title does it, the floodgates will open.

admeister wrote

You do make a valid point about the other things you might have on your PS3 HDD though, but hey, what you download is up to you, it's not the PS3/Sony's problem.

Oh yes it is, Sony has allowed mandatory installs. Microsoft didn't allow (until recently anyway) games to require a HDD on the 360. Developers got over that. Sony should have forced their developers to do the same with installs. And Sony will start making it their problem when people find themselves unable to spend money on the PSN due to lack of storage..

nikack wrote

Especially funny since the PS3 runs alternative operating systems (eg Linux) and can be used with a keyboard and mouse.

Gamesta

4 years ago

I don't even have that much room left on my 60GB PS3.

admeister

4 years ago

Fine, I'm not going to argue the point. It's clear that I'm convincing no-one, so I'm not going to waste my time here. I'll let you enjoy your pessimism in peace.

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Australian Release Date:
  22/05/2008 (Confirmed)
Standard Retail Price:
  $119.95 AU
Publisher:
  UBI Soft
Genre:
  Shooter
Year Made:
  2007
Players:
  1

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