21 Jul, 2005

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas banned in the US

PS2 News | Banned in America first for once.
Some breaking news has just come through regarding the sale and distribution of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. The ESRB (Entertainment and Software Ratings Board) in America has prohibited the game from being sold without a new classification sticker or until the game has been re-released without the offending "hot coffee" code.

We've recieved no word yet on what will be happening with the sale and distribution of San Andreas in Australia, but know that the game is being scrutinised by the classification office right now.

We expect the OFLC to make an announcement regarding the game shortly, as soon as one is made we'll report back, but our advice is that if you want San Andreas, then it might be best to pick it up now, rather than pay an inflated price on Ebay in a fortnight.

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11 Aug, 2005 New patch rids GTA of offending mini-games.
8 years ago
They better hold off a couple of weeks before banning it here... icon_shifty.gif
8 years ago
What do you expect? Rockstar was on thin ice anyway.
8 years ago
We all know they'll just take the code out and sell it again as normal
8 years ago
thats gay
8 years ago
I'd better correct this article - under the First Amendment (I think it's the first), they don't ever actually ban anything as such in the US - it's been classified as Adults Only, which most retailers such as Wal-Mart refuse to carry. Take 2 are stopping production of the game in its current state, and re-issuing a version without the Hot Coffee code.
8 years ago
zombibubonik wrote
We all know they'll just take the code out and sell it again as normal
and that's probably what the ESRB wanted...

and while i think rockstar were stupid for making the mini-game, and even more stupid for not removing the code from the final release, i don't think they should be responsible for what the wider community do with the game at large...

i'd like to know how the person who unlocked the code found it, since isn't messing about with closed source code illegal in the US? (or is that a hollywood myth?)
8 years ago
i'd like to know how the person who unlocked the code found it, since isn't messing about with closed source code illegal in the US?
Depends on the EULA.
8 years ago
i've read that EULA's have no legal standing in most states of the US, unless you happen to break the EULA in the state where the company that wrote the EULA is situated...
8 years ago
Why ban the PS2 & Xbox versions? Surely, the "Hot Coffee" patch couldn't be used en masse on those versions, as console games are significantly harder to patch. Even if they banned the Xbox version (considering the Xbox is practically a PC anyway), surely they shouldn't ban the PS2 version?
Anyway, the whole Hot Coffee thing is odd, in my opinion. Hooray for endless political banter and tabloid, scare-mongering media release!

EDIT: GameShark/Action Replay, of course. Stupid me icon_lol.gif. Oh well, it'll be over in a few months when they release it w/out the offending code.
8 years ago
Is it just me or has rockstar really taken all the slings and arrows and the modder(s) have walked away scot free?I dont think ive even heard their names, or screen names mentioned.

I agree with old mate coon cheese, if it wasnt available store bought or accesible by 'lil billy'- the same lil billy that accidentally stumbles upon a load of pron after researching his assignemnt on the 'tit mouse'-then who cares.

Makes you wonder what other crazy crap developers have slipped in their games code and no one has ever found it.Sorta like how the animators of disney films like the lion king slip the words 'sex' in their cartoons and movies.Its not noticeable unless your looking for it....
8 years ago
8 years ago
Just read this article from gamespot on it...


Not to undermine PALGN's coverage of the situation which has been excellent, but this article seems a good wrap up and makes some good points. It sounds like the 'hot coffee' minigame on the ps2 version at least is pretty tame and wouldn't make it R even if it was just a normal part of it? That sort of thing is shown on any number of M15 or MA15+ tv shows and films. Many M and MA movies have breasts and reasonably realistic sex scenes in them anyway!

Some comments I read on a gta mod site were also good. They made the point that it is easy to download 'nude patches' for some of the sims games which then show all genitalia and and sex scenes. These games are rated teen yet the patches are easily accessed albeit not in the original code most likely. I still hear no uproar?? It seems that although the hot coffee minigame is in the original code I think anything more graphic than that on the xbox or pc versions would be mods made by hackers.

It's hilarious though...I work at a blockbuster store and suddenly everyone has streamed in to buy gtasa!! It's even been reduced in price so we can get rid of them!! icon_biggrin.gif You can't rent it anymore though. Blockbuster, being the 'clean, respectable family video rental company' that they are (Based in america of course) don't want anything to do with it...although they have no problem renting softcore porn... They can stop the rental but they can't stop selling it yet in Australia. I bet sales of gamesharks and the action replay max will skyrocket as well! hilarious! icon_biggrin.gif
8 years ago
*Maniacal evil laugh*

Stick it to them I say.

You don't agree with me?

(I haven't posted for a little while, so I thought I'd re-appear with something that is liable to create some sort of conversation...)
8 years ago
it's hard to know where i stand on this issue...

personally i think Rockstar were extremely stupid to start making the code, then decide against it and leaving it in there...

on the other hand, they've obviously decided the sex was not intended to be seen, and was only through some external agent that they were found (and through technically "illegal" methods i might add... the GTA:SA game is closed-source... there are no official modding options, unlike, say, UT2004 or HL2 which encourage modding)... so i don't see how Rockstar can really be held accountable...

if this is to be the case, should ALL games be rated AO since ALL games have the potential to contain nudity and sex when in the hands of the right (or wrong, depending on your perspective) modder?

and like it was mentioned, there are mods to remove the mosaic on nude sims... and given the purpose of the game is to watch the sim age, at certain stages this is tantamount to pedophilia

but like i said, it was pure stupidity that they left the code in the game... illegal or not, it was going to be modded

as for the eventual rating... i think this is an adult game anyway... goes to show how screwed "our" society is when gang violence, drugs and stealing cars is a teen activity... (as fun as the game is icon_smile.gif)
8 years ago
You do make a good point, ObsoletE, that an external party uncovered this inappropriate material.

That said, and as you mentioned, this should not have been left in at all (or even created), so I still want an example made out of them.
If this slips through, it could open the floodgates.

I could be wrong, but from my perspective I'm usually right...

Seriously though, I personally wouldn't go easy on this if it were up to me... but that's just me...
8 years ago
^ that's also a good point actually... if Rockstar were to get away with this, other companies could use the precedent to release their own "virtual porn" featuring <insert character name here> as "dead code" for a "modder" to find and release a crack for...

hadn't thought of it that way...
8 years ago
ObsoletE wrote
and like it was mentioned, there are mods to remove the mosaic on nude sims... and given the purpose of the game is to watch the sim age, at certain stages this is tantamount to pedophilia
forgive the double post but i just found that The Sims 2 is coming under scrutiny for this very reason...

GamePRO wrote
GamePRO">The Sims 2: A "Pedophile's Paradise"?
Following up to the continuing media frenzy of GTA San Andreas' Hot Coffee mod, now The Sims 2 is under fire for what Miami attorney Jack Thompson calls a "pedophile's paradise."

According to Thompson, The Sims 2, which he calls "the industry's latest dirty secret" (although The Sims 2 has been out longer than GTA), contains full frontal nudity, citing information from "video game news sites." The point of contention is with user-created mods, which allows users to create custom skins, models and furniture.

We contacted EA for comment, and the spokesperson flatly denied the accusations, saying, "this is nonsense. players never see a nude Sim in the game. We've reviewed all of the content in the game, as has the [classification board], and there is no content that would be inappropriate for a teen audience. When the Sims shower, their genital areas are pixilated. If someone with an extraordinary amount of technical knowledge and time on their hands were to remove the pixilation, they'd find that the Sims have no genitals. In that sense, they appear like children's dolls such as Ken and Barbie. Under their clothes, Ken and Barbie look like Sims. There is no anatomical detail beyond the torso, limbs and head. "

"Nude" textures without genital areas are common in 3D games - even mainstream hits such as World of Warcraft use "nude" skins to accommodate the variety of clothing articles. It is important to note that the "nudity" in The Sims 2 differs from the controversy stirred by Rockstar's GTA: San Andreas, which had the actual sex mini-game hidden inside the code itself. Hence, it is unlikely that The Sims 2 would face the same consequences of an Adults Only rating.
in this instance i think the claims are somewhat different in that there is no genitalia on the models unless the player puts them there to begin with, unlike GTA:SA where the code was there, just not utilised...

at least the focus has shifted from games being the cause of all the violence in the world icon_rolleyes.gif
8 years ago
star wars suck
8 years ago

Bullet, meet foot.
8 years ago
star wars suck?
the Games or the Movies?
(well, some of the game are a bit suckie...)

Anyways back on topic.

My Friend when to Big W today to pick up a copy GTA: SA
(Sales, $66 ,etc...)

Looking around the Game section then finding it not there....
So... with effort he ask the dude that there. Only finding out that the game has been taken off the selfs because someone notice him that it was R or sumtihg...

In the end beause he was only 15, there was no possible way to get it...

Any other news on this?
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