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Chris Leigh
12 Jul, 2005

Rockstar denies blame for sex in San Andreas

PC News | Developer in hot water over Hot Coffee.
Rockstar - never far away from controversy, bless 'em - could be in trouble with US ratings body ERSB (Entertainment Software Rating Board) over a modification that's appeared for their PC hit Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. When installed on PCs with a copy of the game on them, the fan-created mod (named 'Hot Coffee') unlocks several minigames which prompts players to have the game's hero engage in X-rated acts.

Rockstar has swiftly moved to protect itself, denying that the pornographic mini-games made available with the mod are actually a part of the game. The game is currently rated M (Mature) in the US, but last week the ratings board came under fire from Californian assemblyman Leland Yee, who accused the board of 'failing parents' after news of the 'Hot Coffee' mod broke. And, despite Rockstar's protestations, the ERSB have responded to Yee's claims, launching an investigation into the mod. It could all result in San Andreas being granted a rarer-than-rare AO (Adults Only) rating.

'The integrity of the ESRB rating system is founded on the trust of consumers who increasingly depend on it to provide complete and accurate information about what's in a game,' said ESRB president Patricia Vance in a statement. 'If after a thorough and objective investigation of all the relevant facts surrounding this modification, we determine a violation of our rules has occurred, we will take appropriate action.'

For it's part, Rockstar insists that 'the work of the mod community is beyond the scope of either publishers or the ESRB', and also agues that the 'Hot Coffee' code is not included on the GTA game discs. Yet in a revelation that further muddies the waters of truth (very dramatic - Ed) the author of the mod says that his modification merely unlocks an unfinished mini-game already present in the code.

However, who's telling the truth may be a pointless dispute, because as long as there's no way of accessing the mini-game in unmodified copies of the title, it seems as though Rockstar will probably (though not definitely yet) escape punishment.

More news as it breaks.

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14 Comments
6 years ago
I have a solution why don't these damn lazy parents, get off there ass' and actually look at what their kids are buying.
6 years ago
^ that's all well and good, but since the reviews gave it an all clear for an M rating initially, parents may well have purchased this on an "informed" decision...

seeing the mod in action though (for research purposes icon_wink.gif), it's obvious it's unfinished... you can't see anything (everyone is still clothed), the sounds aren't there (although you can dl a soundpack), and half the animations are half finished... it's really pretty crap... if anything it's funny rather than sexy or titilating...

and while i agree that what the modding community does is beyond the scope of the developers (else shouldn't Eidos have been taken to task for the Nude Raider patch [makes Lara nude]... or the Sex Raider mod [makes Lara have sex with whatever enemies or "actors" you like]?) it seems immensely stupid for Rockstar to have left the dead-code in the game...

don't they realise there are many MANY people out there with nothing better to do than trawl through game code and unlock the unfinished bits?

it's hard to know what to think though... while leaving the minigames that weren't supposed to be in the final game (or rather, not supposed to have been seen... unless there were plans to unlock it later via a patch or something) in the game undoubtedly makes Rockstar stupid (IMO) maybe by fining them, other developers might grow up a little...
6 years ago
onggie wrote
I have a solution why don't these damn lazy parents, get off there ass' and actually look at what their kids are buying.
Or how about they leave them to it, and realise playing a GTA:SA mod isn't gonna give them five kids of their own and a drug addiction by the time they're 9 years old...
6 years ago
I wouldn't be suprised! What about the guys in America who went on rampages after playing a game could of been GTA? And what they were like 17 or 18, everything you do and watch, influences your actions. Parents have some responsibility into what their kids do and don't do. At least when buying the game, the sales person should be advising the parents about the content in the game. Which has only happen to me once, when I was about 10 and I got my mum to buy me the Leisure Suit Larry Ultimate Pleaseure Pack (P.S. My mum knew what the game was like). Even though as Obsolete stated that reviews gave it an all clear for an M rating initially. It's still the parents duty to acutally monitor things. It's not hard to get a tracker/keylogger and see what websites your kids are going into. I was suprised when me and my mates were talking to this 12 year old kid and he was asking this chick that was with us if she puts out and if she does all these sex postions he saw on a porno. Cummon now, it is the responsibility of the parents to look after what this kid is doing! If I had a 8 year old kid, I would not let him go near that game and I have mates, with little brothers that play GTA:SA and they tell me how they can get hookers in the cars, and how the killed a guy with a knife to the throat.
6 years ago
My mum teaches at a primary school, and works with 5-7 year olds, and I swear about half the kids' favourite game is GTA:VC. I remember first playing GTA1 when I was about 8, a whole ten years below the old BBFC rating. It was the most fun I had in ages on the PS1; I just couldn't keep playing the stupid kiddy Crash-Bandicoot-like games.

Me and my mates once grabbed some guy off the street to buy Soldier of Fortune for us, since not only did it have an 18 rating, it explicitly said on the front that the game contains extreme violence. Did my mum care? Pfft, not at all. I brought it back, she was mad, saw me playing it, and wondered why the hell it was covered in warnings.

And yeah, you're gonna get the odd psycho, but why's that any different? Some psycho bombed London, some psycho caused the Columbine attack, and some psycho killed people after playing a video game. If he didn't play that game, do you think he wouldn't have still gone mental? Of course he would. He wasn't just your average nice 17-year-old lad who decided to pick up an M-rated game, played it, and thought, "WOW, I think I'd better kill some people now!"

It just irritates me to see all these liberal parents shielding their children from all sorts of dangers in the world as long as possible, and therefore stopping them from playing these brilliant games.
6 years ago
'And what they were like 17 or 18, everything you do and watch, influences your actions.'

What you've just described there is known as the 'hypodermic model', an idea I despise. The model proposes that the media has a very direct and
extremely immediate effect on the general public, who accept the injected message without question due to their passiveness. It is the idea that producers of media texts can persuade us to do whatever they want and we will unquestionably comply, without applying our own values and judgements to media texts we consume.

When we bring the subject of violence into this field, a follower of the hypodermic model would say that the violent behaviour witnessed on screen would be influentially accepted by the audience without question. Yet it's a massively flawed assumption IMO - as I see it, whenever we consume a media text, we're not going to idly imitate it, or take in whatever message it conveys without thinking. Basically, my point is: the kids who shoot classmates are more likely to already have some form of psychological condition and/or twisted belief system that compels them to do what they do. The idea that any 'normal' child or teenager plays a game, then goes out on to the streets and copies the game, is ludicrous.
6 years ago
Good point GTPod, of course you can't shield them from it will make it worse. But just to monitor what is going on and be aware, which is what I was trying to convey. If parents were aware of games like GTA, then you wouldn't have all these other parents complaining about things in video games and the parents can say I am aware of what the games contain, so forth.

In regards to what you say Chris, yeah most of all cases where some person puts a gun to someone else head and other sick and twisted crap, they have probably had problems in the past. Whether it was physical or emotional abuse. But if you look at little kids, easily persuaded, if they are playing these games like GTA at such a young age, wouldn't that do something to them mentally? E.g. I will use this example we were told on peer support (it had something to do with abuse in the household). It was something like this but I will modify it to fit this situation.

"If little Johnny was watching Power Ranges, and he admired the show (as little kids do). After the show finished he started kicking and punching his little brothers just like, what he was seeing t.v. Do you think that might of had an effect on little Johnny? Maybe that's why he uses physical violence at the age of 14. He watched Power Ranges and the only way the defeated evil was to kill the baddie."

But yeah I get what both of you mean and things like this are debated regularly! Maybe some of these so called professionals should troll this forum icon_lol_old.gif
6 years ago
GTPod wrote
onggie wrote
I have a solution why don't these damn lazy parents, get off there ass' and actually look at what their kids are buying.
Or how about they leave them to it, and realise playing a GTA:SA mod isn't gonna give them five kids of their own and a drug addiction by the time they're 9 years old...
No, it takes a certain type of person to have 5 kids and a drug addiction by the time they're nine. And I think it is a fair assumption that they cannot be bothered to play video games that reflect so much of their own lives... icon_wink.gif
6 years ago
onggie wrote
"If little Johnny was watching Power Ranges, and he admired the show (as little kids do). After the show finished he started kicking and punching his little brothers just like, what he was seeing t.v. Do you think that might of had an effect on little Johnny? Maybe that's why he uses physical violence at the age of 14. He watched Power Ranges and the only way the defeated evil was to kill the baddie."
I avidly watched Power Rangers as a child, and at 14 I can honestly say I'm quite a pacifist. icon_razz.gif
6 years ago
LOL same here! icon_biggrin.gif

EDIT: I even have a game on the mega drive!
6 years ago
There was just a news report on 7 about this. They were angry that "children as young as 15" could buy the game and downlaod the extra content.

They originally refered to the game as GTA:3 until later calling it GTA:San Andreas . Apparently, 7 bought the game and downloaded it within 20 minutes!

I say get over it.
6 years ago
i think all the violence in GTA should be spat on because im concered about today's society and its crime. it is highly inappropriate to have violence around todays children
BAN THIS GAME icon_twisted.gif icon_evil.gif icon_twisted.gif icon_evil.gif icon_mad.gif
6 years ago
Qbert wrote
There was just a news report on 7 about this. They were angry that "children as young as 15" could buy the game and downlaod the extra content.

They originally refered to the game as GTA:3 until later calling it GTA:San Andreas . Apparently, 7 bought the game and downloaded it within 20 minutes!

I say get over it.
Yeah my mum told me about it icon_biggrin.gif. She said who cares! She basically said these people were idiots! Referring to the people who were complaining!

frY wrote
i think all the violence in GTA should be spat on because im concered about today's society and its crime. it is highly inappropriate to have violence around todays children
BAN THIS GAME icon_twisted.gif icon_evil.gif icon_twisted.gif icon_evil.gif icon_mad.gif
Everyone is entitled to their opinon and I respect that, but just because your mummy won't buy it for you is no reason to complain!
6 years ago
Except for sport games nearly every one involves some sort of inappropriate content. Why eloborate on San Andreas so much? the OFLC should have looked over it better.

Isnt that the whole point of games? to do what you wouldnt do in real life? At least thats what I think. Instead of going around and 'impregneting' people in real life, there doing it in the game - good on them I say.
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