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Phil Larsen
18 Jan, 2007

+3 Dexterity

PALGN Feature | The trial of the Fanboy.
When one thinks of video games, they also think of consoles. And companies. And computers. More than anything, they think of the gamer. The stereotypical darkness-dweller with no possibility of social interaction. Most of PALGN’s readers would dispute this concept evangelically, resulting in limited, if any, change to the social perception. Today I take on a concept within the gaming ranks themselves, one which spreads upon every new gaming development – be it a game, console or entire organisation trying to make their mark in the video game world.

Independent Thought Alarm - every gamer is supposed to think exactly alike

The term “fanboy” has to be the most overused and vilified word in gaming today. “I like Nintendo!” FANBOY. “I like Sony!” FANBOY. “I like Microsoft!” FANBOY. What happens if someone likes all three? Are they a triple fanboy, or a fine, upstanding gamer who is forced to reject all natural human urges and appreciate every single company at an equal level? That's called communism, and is one of the great evils of the world. That's right, breaking down pseudo-ideological gaming barriers, people!

Consider this: Video games are games. Rugby Union is also a game. Are we going to bash on those who support one Rugby team, and instead prefer that they watch the sport simply to appreciate the quality of the rules? Last time I checked, there’s plenty of abuse and rejection between opposing team’s fans at matches, but that’s the social norm. It’s called competition. And, surprise surprise, the three gaming giants are also competing.

Ah, but Phil, you say! The teams that the fans support are their home teams! Supporting the places they’ve lived in and grown up with! That’s absolutely right, and they’re right to do it. So why is someone flamed as a fanboy when he or she supports a company they’ve grown up with? Last time I checked, thousands of gamers responded fondly to the days of Super Mario Brothers back in the 1980s, a time when Sony and Microsoft were still just little gaming tadpoles, swimming around until someone came up with the idea of console conception. How can one deny the probable psychological and character-building process one goes through when growing up with any form of interactive entertainment? To this day I have a profound mystical understanding with MacGyver.

Fanboy got you down? Ask yourself - what would MacGyver do?

Fanboy got you down? Ask yourself - what would MacGyver do?
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If you don’t want to support Microsoft, or Sony, or Nintendo, for any reason at all, then don’t. If you want to do the exact opposite, that’s fine too. Do whatever the hell you want. For example – I don’t watch Channel Nine television because their in-channel advertising is annoying. I also hate Channel Ten advertising, but I love Futurama, so I watch it. Am I a Seven fanboy? Well no, I barely know what it shows, but who cares? Nobody, because there aren’t all that many forums where people discuss whether McCleod’s Daughters or The O.C. is the better show. For the record, they are both terrible. Forums spawned the concept of fanboy, because nowhere else will one find such a free and unregulated conflict of opinion.

Games are meant to be fun, and given the growth of the industry, all aspects of the gaming culture are being opened to consumer eyes to be commented and critiqued upon. This includes the movements and goings-on within the camps of the Big Three. I’ve seen Reggie Fils-Aime’s name being chanted by a happy crowd upon the North American launch of the Wii. I was physically on location at the massive Xbox 360 launch in Japan, where the 360 has subsequently been selling rather poorly. Are all the Japanese gamers Sony and Nintendo fanboys? They love crazy Japanese games and RPGs (as a broad, broad generalisation), and don’t particularly gravitate towards gung-ho burly macho men shooting up aliens. So let them.

In fact, be proud that we have the gamers who are completely committed to a genre or company. Why? Because they are fighting on the front lines, making voices for various groups heard - and whether you realise it or not, this indeed has a marked effect on some industry decision. Don't want to be partial yourself? That's great, sit back and enjoy all the gaming goodness that evolves from constant conflict and competition between others.

Don't like him? Don't shop in his store - where he dispenses the insults rather than absorbs them.

Don't like him? Don't shop in his store - where he dispenses the insults rather than absorbs them.
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The role of the reviewer is to put themselves in the shoes of thousands upon thousands of gamers at the exact same time, in an attempt to analyse a piece of software in such a way that conveys what, if any, benefits it will have to the person reading it. If a particular game is clearly and unabashedly targeted to a very specific demographic and psychographic group, then that issue will probably be discussed and brought to light. Personally I am a terrible RTS player, but can recognise what benefits a quality RTS (such as Company of Heroes) will provide a gamer who may be interested. A reviewer may prefer a particular console or game at any particular time, but that’s for their own personal collection. Work and leisure are two very different things.

To repeat – games are meant to be fun. If a recreational gamer decides to involve him or herself in the industry events, that’s fantastic. The personal base of opinion and choices one makes when deciding which games to play and the best console to buy is extraordinarily complex, not something that can be analysed, responded to and disputed by n1ntend0_man69 in some forum. Discuss any topic in any capacity in whatever forum you want – but try to realise the fanboy concept is endless, overused and completely redundant, which will continue to be so unless we can all recognise the importance and value of what we do as individuals.

We’re all gamers here, doing what we love – you may constantly be defending your primary hobby from acquaintancerial oppression, and so too does the “fanboy” when taking metaphorical punches from opposing “team”. Wouldn’t life be easier if the gamer-haters (substitute “gamer” for “player” at your own leisure, nice) just left you alone doing what you love? So too, wouldn’t life for the gamers be easier if we just stayed away from what we didn’t like, and embraced what we did? Don’t waste others and, more importantly, your own time trying to convince someone who can’t be convinced. The crux and crescent - do whatever the hell you want, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

They’re not fanboys. They’re fans, waving their own personal flags of support for what they believe in, and you too should do the same.

Can you convince anyone?

Does it matter?

phil@palgn.com.au

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45 Comments
5 years ago
I agree wholeheartedly with this article. As a kid I used to go up the road to my younger brother's friend's house and we used to bash away at gunsmoke, duckhunt, excitebike, kung fu and of course super mario bros for hours on end. I never had a nintendo but a cga 486 with no hard drive and a twin floppy drive for booting on DOS 3.5 and playing test drive 2.

When my mother bought me a super nintendo I was over the moon and my brother and I used to save for months on end to get games like ultimate mortal combat 3, nba live 95 and super mario land.

I am a little older and wiser nowadays and am the owner of a ps1, ps2, psp, ds, gamecube, wii, xbox, mac and pc. I got all those systems because I love gaming and a vast diversity of games. some I like for graphics, some i like for gameplay.

I think a lot of this fanboy phenomenon comes a lot from the old 'grass is greener' syndrome and if people cant have it, they tend to dislike it so it doesnt feel so bad. Most people wouldnt spend the money to get every console because its not a worthwhile investment so they get the one they like and try to prove to themselves that its the best. At the end of the day, it is a machine that plays a game, some games are good, some games are bad and a prefered console usually occurs when more games of the gamer's liking appear on it.

I think thats enough of my seemingly endless ranting. My main point is, that article was a great read and has a lot of valid points and I just added my two cents in agreeance.

thanks for the article.
5 years ago
a good article, and it's a nice analogy between sporting fans, and company fans, but i think one aspect of team supporting wasn't addressed in the comparison.

by and large, fans of sporting teams stick to themselves, until "their" team plays another team, and then the fans have to mingle with opposing fans, and the result isn't always pretty.

this is the same as gaming "fanboys".

there are websites dedicated to one particular company, be it software company, or hardware company, and the discussion is limited to the one branch of gaming, as a whole. and being a fanboy on those sites is encouraged, because it develops hype, and hopefully generates sales.

but when you get to a multi-platform site, like PALGN, you have to choose whether to allow the fanboy behaviour to run, which will present ample opportunities for debates and posting, but at the cost of worthwhile discussion.

just like sport fans trying to explain why their team is better than that guy over there's team, there'll be a lot of words said, but with no meaning behind them. and you'll probably find exactly the same "discussions" on generic sport forums. i'm sure if there are forums on www.afl.com.au, it's split into clubs, and fairly frequently there will be "OMG THE SWANS SUCK" on the swans forum, from GenericDockersFan01, or "OMG THE CROWS RULE!" posts by GenericCrowsFan01 on every other team's board, and i'm sure every post in those threads would be "NUH UH" or "YA HAH!".

the problem is, do the site admins and owners want to promote competition at the cost of discussion?

for sports, competition should be encouraged. it's the whole point of sport, in the end we are there for the competition, and the emotions that go with it.

however for games, while some competition is healthy for the industry as a whole, the competition between companies is not the overall point.
the entertainment provided by gaming is not through external competition, but the competition inside the box, be it a Sony box, and Microsoft box or a Nintendo box.

sure we're all going to have favourites amongst the competitors, it's only natural, but to be a gaming fan in the same manner that a sports fan is through the exclusion of one or more "teams", the only loser is the fan him or herself.

in the end, the "fanboy" argument really comes down to there being a difference between being a fan of a company, and being a fanboy of a company.

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i know i meandered a bit in this response, and it is really a fantastic example of why i shouldn't be writing professionally, but i hope my point gets across.
5 years ago
^^You should write a column Mike!
5 years ago
ObsoletE wrote
in the end, the "fanboy" argument really comes down to there being a difference between being a fan of a company, and being a fanboy of a company.
Agreed. Football fan culture is, by and large, what would be deemed "fanboyism". Supporters will scream objection until they're blue in the face regardless of their certainty. This phenomenon is know as herd behaviour, primarily exhibited by animals.

Fanboy is considered a derogatory term, but there needs to be a more effective synonym. Perhaps flunky, lickspittle, stooge, or sycophant?
5 years ago
Phil wrote
In fact, be proud that we have the gamers who are completely committed to a genre or company.
icon_wink.gif

Thankyou. icon_smile.gif Still, even though I've been labelled a fanboy, I'm not completely committed to Nintendo, I like PS2 a lot and I also own a PS1. I have more PS2 games than GCN ones, actually. icon_lol.gif However, Nintendo are my company of choice. Guess I'm a non-typical fanboy.
5 years ago
Equating support of a company to that of a sporting team was a terrible analogy. I agree with most of what Obs said, and very little of this article.

Things like this:
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They’re not fanboys. They’re fans, waving their own personal flags of support for what they believe in, and you too should do the same.
are almost entirely wrong. They aren't the ones labeled as fanboys. The ones branded as such are those that support the company, with little to no support of what they themselves believe in, blindly following and supporting the actions of that particular company. Fanboys are not "waving their personal flags", they're waving company banners without a moment's hesitation or consideration.
5 years ago
Spanca wrote
Things like this:
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They’re not fanboys. They’re fans, waving their own personal flags of support for what they believe in, and you too should do the same.
are almost entirely wrong. They aren't the ones labeled as fanboys. The ones branded as such are those that support the company, with little to no support of what they themselves believe in, blindly following and supporting the actions of that particular company. Fanboys are not "waving their personal flags", their waving company banners.
I don't agree, the only reason that people usually support a company is if they meet their needs/wants the best. By going with their personal feeling, people can be labelled as fanboys. That's certainly how it is for me. I don't give a stuff about Nintendo as a company (my banner should really say "Nintendo product fan"), I just care about the product, if they make me happy, then I will continue to support them. Simple as that. The only time I'll care about the company aspect is if they go bankrupt! icon_lol.gif
5 years ago
Eh, really don't care enough about this issue, or believe this article was written well enough/convincingly enough to continue arguing the point.

We'll agree to disagree then Adam.
5 years ago
Sounds good. icon_y1.gif
5 years ago
I think there is a certain degree of fanboyism that comes in when buying a game that comes out on several consoles and you need to choose which console to get it on. The biggest factor used to be the graphics, now with the introduction of the wii, psp, portability, controls and online support have become big factors.

Choosing consoles has become such an interesting dynamic as compared to the days of snes vs megadrive.

I think there is a great argument for both sides of the story and it creats such good conversations, like this one for example.

so much better than the hundred of pre game reviews from people saying that they give a game five stars because they liked the last one.
5 years ago
nihilcreative wrote
Choosing consoles has become such an interesting dynamic as compared to the days of snes vs megadrive.
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Back then a VERY strong majority of 3rd parties developed for both consoles and it was mostly 1st party titles that made a difference, Shinobi, Ecco, Streets of Rage vs Mario, Zelda and Metroid etc

They will and always will be the golden years in this industry and when gaming were at their best.

I guess now I will be called an old school fanboy and I am fine with that, I never minded being called a Sega fanboy, they were my team, they made the systems and the games I liked the most.

Xbox exclusive content is not the sort of content I enjoy playing, I got bored with FPS over 5 years ago and they all look the same to me. There is a fair bit of Japanese style content on the PS2 avaliable here, not as much as I would like but its enough. Nintendo always had the 1st party titles that set them apart, now they are being really innovative and I find the DS and Wii alot of fun.

So if I like the Playstation and Wii, does that make me a PSWii fanboy? I Do not intend on forking out on a PS3 until there are major price cuts. I still think the 360 is too expensive.

I agree with this article, you call a Bulldogs supporter a fanboy he would punch you head in. GO DOGGIES!!
5 years ago
Spanca wrote
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They’re not fanboys. They’re fans, waving their own personal flags of support for what they believe in, and you too should do the same.
are almost entirely wrong. They aren't the ones labeled as fanboys. The ones branded as such are those that support the company, with little to no support of what they themselves believe in, blindly following and supporting the actions of that particular company. Fanboys are not "waving their personal flags", they're waving company banners without a moment's hesitation or consideration.
a more accurate description of a fanboy is, imo, an anti-fan of everything else.

even this isn't 100% right, since there are legitimate reasons to not like something, Ugh's treatment when it came to his DS Lite, for example, but anti-fanning something without reason, and without the intelligence (i suspect) to understand reason if it p!ssed on their foot.

however i think this usually sums up sporting fans, so in that regard i think the analogy works.

when it comes to sport, my team always wins. CARN THE REFEREES!
5 years ago
I think the article came at a good time irrespective of quality as there seems to be more and more fanboy accusations going around this site than I can remember (although I haven't been here that long). I think that a better analogy would have been the the V8 supercars because the contest is about the drivers not the cars (ie Lowndes and Ingal are still rivals even though they still drive the same car) but people will barrack for the car type, not the driver (and we should all know by now that the cars are homogenized).

I don't really see Adam as a fanboy because he is just as enthusiastic about some PS2 games as he has said. I see him (you Adam) as more of an anti MS person ,although even that seems to be changing (perhaps your maturing) in fact I would love to know what the definitive definition of a fanboy is because most people that are accused of being a fanboy seem to own more than 1 brand of console anyway. The differences between us all could be summed up more accurately as being fanboys of different genres, but that seems to be more widely accepted.

The amount of true "fanboys" that I have come across on this site I could probably count on 1 hand ( some are quite subtle/borderline and some are quite blatant) but I think thats what makes this site so great. Its not about just one console or company but about gaming in our region.

In conclusion, we all may disagree what types of games we enjoy and therefore what systems we see as value for money, but the reason for such a forum is so you can know that there are people around that agree with you to a certain extent (creating constructive criticism of a game or even total agreeableness on what is great), but we should all be aware that there are people that won't agree with your opinion but shouldn't be labeled as fanboys. I know that there are certain members of this forum that I will breeze over their posts because I know that they think their opinion is paramount and everyone else is just wrong.
5 years ago
ObsoletE wrote
when it comes to sport, my team always wins. CARN THE REFEREES!
AH! Ever since the 99 NRL Grand Final I have been an anti-fanboy of ref's I HATE BILL HARRIGON, he ruined what could have been a fantastic Grand Final by being biased, letting Melb score on head high tackles and forward passes
5 years ago
If the casual gamer takes an interest in the industry they will find there is a lot to hate. Unfortunately this isn't just about playing games. We are given a distinct choice, even moreso with many expensive pieces of kit vying for our gaming dollars. For all the games I love, from all the DEVELOPERS I am fan-atical about I need more consoles than I have now. The choices I am forced to make are polarizing, it's like picking which one of your children to save from a burning house.

I'd love an X Box 360, I thik it is a thoughtful system but japan wont buy it, so it becomes a 'genre box' with loads of burly guys shooting alien's games... So if i want to play with traditional controls and have the option to play crazy japanese games I have to buy a PS3 with a controller I loathe, a less than stellar netwoking feature and functionality I don't need.

This is not like supporting local football teams, thats about patriotism.
5 years ago
^
There is not alot of choice now, PS3 is not out, if you want gun games go to 360 otherwise get a Wii
5 years ago
To be honest as an AFL supporter in a nest of pigs( NRL supporters) I am used to the certain type of abuse about aerial ping pong and poofta ball etc, the only difference I find in blogs and forums is that people feel more free to be vocal here than when they are face to face with 105 kilos of angry footy supporter.

I wonder how brave forum posters would be if they were required to put in their full and correct name and address...
5 years ago
döppelganger wrote
(selecting which console to own) it's like picking which one of your children to save from a burning house.
Best Quote Ever icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif
5 years ago
oh, the staff already know all our names and addresses.

it's not that many more "OMG HOW COUJLD RED STEAL GET 8!!??" posts before one of the forum members disappers quietly into the void of cyberspace.

anyone seen Ugh the Boot recently?
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(sorry Ugh, your absence is notable, so i picked on you.)
5 years ago
I agree that the use of the term "fanboy" is tired and overused. It seems that to show any support for a particular console or company seems to get you branded with the term.

But that doesn't make the term any less applicable... Are we going to stop calling Hitler a Nazi because too many people use the word these days?

I think the majority of us knows what a "fanboy" is. The term is an insult... an insult some people deserve.

Take admeister's post way up there (I'll wait til you're done scrolling. Okay, done? I'll continue). Admeister - you're what I would call a Nintendo fan. Not a fanboy... a fan. And I have nothing but respect for that. Even though back when I was younger, I existed solely on Sega consoles (can't afford to do that now), as a gamer, I couldn't resist renting out Nintendo consoles to try out Mario, Starfox and especially Zelda on the N64. A fanboy, meanwhile, would have been sitting on a computer starting flame-wars about how much better Dark Cloud was going to be, or something as obviously retarded.

A fanboy is someone who follows a specific brand or company, regardless of the quality of its games, its business practices, and heaps poorly spelled abuse on anyone with a difference of opinion. I personally don't care that they miss out on playing some of the best games in human history, because frankly, I think they enjoy comparing sales charts and spec sheets more than playing games.

It seems to have gotten worse over the years, too. As a Sega fan, I remember the rivalry between Sega and Nintendo supporters which was, as commented, very similar between the rivalries between sport teams, or say, between Aussies and Kiwis - generally light-hearted and meant in jest.

But the posts I see from fanboys are nothing of the sort. They are ill thought-out, lazy and often vicious. They add nothing of any worth to any discussion or debate.

I'm sorry, but I have no respect for people like that, nor do I feel that I need to be more open-minded and respect the views of people who won't give others the same courtesy.

You can love, appreciate, dislike and/or hate whatever you feel the need to. You don't have to justify yourself to anyone. But if you go out of their way to insult what other people enjoy for no reason than to make yourself feel better, I equate that with bullying and racism - narrow-mindedness and intolerance towards others isn't something to be ignored or applauded... it's something to be reviled.

Support your favourite sports team, country, film, book or console. Tell me why you love it... enlighten me with the virtues of your favorite past-times... Thrill me with stories of the first time you played Mario, or the first time you beat Final Fantasy 7, or killed your first Brute with a plasma sword...

Just don't tell me I'm "teh suxOrs" because I owned a Saturn, and those were for "gaywads." That's all I'm saying.
5 years ago
ObsoletE wrote
anyone seen Ugh the Boot recently?
icon_wink.gif



(sorry Ugh, your absence is notable, so i picked on you.)
Isn't he at the tennis doing some perving on Sharapova ? (sp?)
5 years ago
sarcasm is lost on some people.
5 years ago
Ugh is back tonight so be prepped for some sharapova upskirt news. icon_wink.gif


I don't know what to think about all this fanboy crap.
On one hand I applaud people that have genuine feelings towards a company/software product due to being a good product.

What I can't stand is the blinded fanboys that will rant on when they know it is the sub-par/crap version and try to debate it just because it is the only machine they have.

I liken it to someone who has painted their house red and everyone who comes over is like "ooh my god! red? why did you paint it that colour?"
"Cause I like that colour! I love it!" the house owner replies even knowing that he has made a mistake just to defend his decision on the colour.

Instead of just saying,"Yeah I might have made a mistake but I guess I'm gonna stick with it."
5 years ago
^^^ paintboys are far worse than fanboys Go Red!!!!!
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