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30 Jul, 2005

PALGN's Periodical Rumour Harvest #17

PALGN Feature | Revolution rumours keep on coming.....
Apart from Nintendo Power's recent comment that third party downloads are 'likley', most recent Revolution rumours seem to centre on the most mysterious aspect of all - the controller.

Over the months, everything from Gyroscopics to Touch screens to Yaw control have been touted possible 'additional features' added to a basic controller design. But what would the basic design be?

Now while anyone can speculate, on the boards and blogs of the internet (where else?) some energy seems to have centred on two particular design templates, with both groups claiming to have insider information backing it up.

The two possibilities can be grouped as such:

1) It looks very much like a WaveBird.

Here's someone's picture of an alleged prototype:
Blurry....why are they always blurry?

Blurry....why are they always blurry?
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And here's a claim made by a blogger, who says he works in marketing for a major developer:

"That's because it looks just like a WaveBird, except that the GameCube face button scheme with the big A, small B, and X & Y kidney shaped buttons has been switched out for four small round buttons in a cross configuration, i.e. the traditional SNES/PlayStation/Xbox setup. I believe the button colour scheme used on the Revolution prototype is as follows: X (top) button = indigo, Y button = yellow, A button = green, B button = red."

Of course, this picture doesn't match the description above. Could they be from different points in the development process? Or could both be just made up? We'll go with option B. Nonetheless, it's a plausible concept that the core design of the controller will be based on the Wavebird.


2) It is flat, maybe with a six button face layout.

The other theory is that the core controller design harks back to the SNES pad. It has light up buttons to help the user know which button does what, and some claim it will have six face buttons - that would make fighting fans happy!

A forum artist's impression of design group 2

A forum artist's impression of design group 2
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Another plausible concept - and the picture doesn't hurt. It could be a good move for Nintendo to awaken memories of their last universally praised pad. As good and revolutionaly as the N64 and Gamecube controllers have been, many people have misunderstood how to hold and use them, and have gone away with a bad taste in their mouths (erm...hands?).

Still, there's no proof other then annonymous 'employees' of unnamed companies.

So who do we go to for real information? Shigeru Miyamoto is the only one talking who really knows. We'll leave you with a collection of his most recent comments:

Simplicity is key:
"The idea that somebody might look at the Revolution controller and think, 'Oh, this is too much for me' is something that I would really regret. That is something I would love to avoid if I can."

Miyamoto continues"The controllers for this generation do not look fun to use. You don't look at any of the controllers and think, 'Wow, I want to play [with] this.' You look at these controllers and think, 'Oh my God, it looks so difficult.' That scares people away.

"Actually, at Nintendo, we're not even sure which is better. Is the + control pad the better way to, go or is the analog stick the better way to go? I haven't really been able to decide which is best."

About the Gamecube's controller:
"Using the analog and the L and R shoulder buttons was maybe a little hard for the younger players. We were not able to use that functionality very well in games either. On this next one, we're really looking at solving some of those problems.

"With the GameCube, we originally thought we'd be able to use the functionality of the L and R buttons to create some really unique things. In the end we just made basic games and didn't really utilize the full potential, but with the Revolution we're hoping to do is utilize the interface to create more interesting and unique games."

Miyamoto explains that he is simply referring to using the shoulder buttons. "We're looking at utilizing the functionality of the Revolution and its user interface to create really unique gaming experiences."

Goals for the new controller:
"What we really want to do is create something that's not frightening to the user that is usable for a Zelda-type game. We're going to have to figure out a way to marry both those ideas."

Miyamoto claims Nintendo has created such a controller. Asked about why they are keeping it under wraps he says, "Graphic chips are one thing. Those are hard to imitate. But if we showed our controller, we'd be revealing way too much. It's very easy to copy. We really want to present our interface, the controller, with software as a package."

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14 Comments
6 years ago
Just to add a bit of fuel to the fire, this is what I've found:

1. The Revolution - as Nintendo are touting it - may not be the Revolution we all expect. According to my sources, we in fact have already found out what the Revolution actually is. Consider the "virtual console" where previous Nintendo games will be available. Ir could in fact be the circle that this console is taking by having all the games available in one spot - a Revolution, from past to present.

2. The controller will possibly resemble a wavebird where it will have a touch pad instead of the c-stick and the face buttons will be diamond-shaped.

That's all I got. If I find anymore, you guys will know
6 years ago
^Interesting, though I don't know about the first rumour icon_eh.gif

The second rumour from the article sounds kewl, but doesn't look that great in their example pic. I think having a stand-alone display for each button would be awesome.
6 years ago
Ok, first things first, that wavebird-esque controller is a load of bs.Why on earth would anyone in there right mind, nintendo, or some informant, why would they release such a **** quality pic.Ok i can handle black and white or even low res pics, but what is the point of the extreme blurriness.Nothing.Stupid.Just stupid.A scan of a nintendo mock up or a quick mobile phone snapshot or an article quickly scanned can all produce low res, black/white pics but nothing produces stuff that crap.Only photoshop.

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. The Revolution - as Nintendo are touting it - may not be the Revolution we all expect.
If that is so, that is gunna be the biggest letdown of the year.Though........there was hl2's ending.... icon_mad.gif


I have also taken the liberty to type out what is listed below the second pic explaing the button layout, as its interesting to say the least....

INTERFACE

D-PAD:For Digital directional input
Analog Wheel:For directional Analog input
C-Ball:Track ball for adjusting camera view and acts as a digital button
L&R:Trigger buttons, same as the ones on the GCN
Blank Buttons:Buttons that can create a display using small LED(OLED?)
Small LED Screen:You can use it as a personal viewing screen when playing some games(Not a touch screen)(240x160)


Ok some things that come to mind....

When talking about the d pad they say 'digital directional', while talking about the analogue wheel they say 'directional analog'.Not very consistent with their verbs....small things like that scream bs to me.Whats a directional wheel anyway... icon_question.gif

And call me a skeptic but i cant see ANYWAY, using led's, you can make pics shine through on the blank buttons.Maybe 2 or 3 colours but no way could they fit pictures on em.Were talking buttons smaller than 5 cents pieces(going off nintendo's past 'standard' buttons sizes[nes snes 64 and even gc b button]).

Like i dunno, nice mock up and all, but damn......i cant even begin to think how much a controller like that would cost, and remember where talking budget friendly nintendo here.A controller with a trackball, a small tv screen AND special whizz bang led picture buttons icon_eek.gif



Last thing, anyone else notice the rev's button layout is a Zelda layout...


-a bomb
-a sword
-a bottle
-a boomerang
-a slingshot(?)
-and the action/context sensitive button

neato.But fake.


Nice find though, always interesting regardless of whether or not its fake.Makes the brain think even harder!

Oh, and i can guarantee fighters arent gunna be impressed of where they stuck the d-pad........again.

UPDATE-And that 'select' button is suss.Nintendo done away with that **** on their controllers long ago.
6 years ago
Dude - we know the picture is fake. It's marked as an artists impression based on rumours.
6 years ago
Dude-wheres my car? icon_lol.gif

I know its not real, i saw that it was mocked up by joe blow in some forum.What i said still applies.....?Even without the pic i still woulda picked the led button idea to pieces and the cost of it etc etc.
6 years ago
Look, you are all wrong. It isn't going to be called the "revolution" it will be the ON. icon_razz.gif
6 years ago
Jeremy wrote
Just to add a bit of fuel to the fire, this is what I've found:

1. The Revolution - as Nintendo are touting it - may not be the Revolution we all expect. According to my sources, we in fact have already found out what the Revolution actually is. Consider the "virtual console" where previous Nintendo games will be available. Ir could in fact be the circle that this console is taking by having all the games available in one spot - a Revolution, from past to present.

2. The controller will possibly resemble a wavebird where it will have a touch pad instead of the c-stick and the face buttons will be diamond-shaped.

That's all I got. If I find anymore, you guys will know
Nintendo have already said that the controller is the revolution. Also Nintendo has said that there will be no DS-esque style of the control ie touch screen (I'm not sure if thats what you ment by touch pad).
6 years ago
I think the 2nd person's mock-up is awesome actually. Just like a better SNES pad, but it may be hard to play GCN games with out the kidney beans.
6 years ago
Qbert wrote
I think the 2nd person's mock-up is awesome actually. Just like a better SNES pad, but it may be hard to play GCN games with out the kidney beans.
That's what the GCN Controller ports are for.

I'm not sure about the second one, looks a bit cluttered and 2 steps backward from an ergonomic standpoint.
6 years ago
^ thats what i thought... as comfortable as the SNES pad was in the day, compared to current pads it's horrible...

i hadn't realised i didn't get cramps in my hands after playing for a few hours until i went back and played a marathon Super Mario Kart session a few years ago...
6 years ago
ObsoletE wrote
^ thats what i thought... as comfortable as the SNES pad was in the day, compared to current pads it's horrible...

i hadn't realised i didn't get cramps in my hands after playing for a few hours until i went back and played a marathon Super Mario Kart session a few years ago...
It's just a bit small. I still use a 'flat' controller every single day (My beloved white Japanese Sega Saturn pad for Street Fighter) and never get cramps. Not that I believe they will, but if they did release a flat controller, it's better then an un-ergonomic handlebar one cough***batarang***cough.
6 years ago
while i can't comment on the PS3 one yet (except to say it doesn't look comfortable), i very much prefer the PSX/PS2 design...
6 years ago
The displayed buttons could work. The other day I happened upon this keyboard design prototype, this guy is a professional industrial designer. If this keyboard could work, then the Revolution control could have something similar. The possibilities are mindboggling after looking at what this keyboard can potentially do.

Keyboard is here: http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/
Keep in mind that the keyboard images are most likely renders... they're damn awesome renders though.
6 years ago
You sir-have opened my eyes-and i thank you for it icon_smile.gif

Man.....looking at that keyboard....its ........its....beautiful icon_redface.gif

I still think the technology would be incredibly dear but i never imagined something like that could work.Oh.....thats fantastic.....look at it....just gaze upon it....i will covet thee!

If this is the revolution or the 'surprise' weve been looking for....i will be a happy man
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