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24 Apr, 2005

State Of Play #10

PALGN Feature | Next generation = new opportunities. Right?
The official Xbox 360 unveiling is coming up in just a few weeks, and the widely believed release date is in the third quarter of this year – hard to believe, considering I can still remember the hype leading up to the first Xbox launch. If the console truly is unleashed worldwide this year, it will have been about the shortest run for any one console (that hasn’t failed, anyway) ever. The first Xbox has only been around just over three years in PAL territories, and about six months longer in North America.

So why are they bringing us the successor so early? Microsoft is hell bent on pushing through the next generation, but for all the wrong reasons.

In the past, new console generations have brought about significant improvement, usually through beefing up the power of the console to provide additional eye candy. But that’s not all. There’s also been other things worth progressing a generation for – added graphics means more room for development creativity, such as the third dimension in the N64/PSX era. And, let’s not forget the addition of online in this current generation.

So, what exactly is this new fangled Xbox 360 set to offer us? …Well, at this stage, not a whole lot.

The graphical leap that has been the catalyst past generational changes is not here. The Xbox has only begun to hit its straps with the visual prowess of Doom 3 and Halo 2 – it’s really hard to believe a unit powered by a GeForce 3 GPU can run those games. The same can be said of the GameCube, with Resident Evil 4 being unbelievable. The PS2 is starting to lag behind now, but Gran Turismo 4 shows that it can keep up if the developer is up to the challenge. The Xbox is visually fantastic, with early next generation screens not being anywhere near as impressive as those of the first Xbox games were in 2001.

Well, surely Microsoft will have some new games that showcase some innovative features of the console, right? Well, not according to Luke’s latest rumour harvest. Not one game mentioned is new – all are sequels. FIFA, another game in the bloody Tony Hawk series, more Need for freakin’ Speed, Halo 3 in the months to follow, as well as other games we’ve all seen before. If that really is all we can expect from the console in the early days, I think I’ll stick to the old Xbox.

Unfortunately, Microsoft is pushing through the next generation for one sole reason – profit and market share over Sony and, to a lesser extent, Nintendo. At this stage, there is nothing new on show, apart from some rather spiffy graphics, which aren’t really much better than what the existing Xbox can pull off to be honest.

At least Nintendo and Sony will be delivering some new features in their next generation offerings, with Sony’s home entertainment mecca and Nintendo’s… Well, whatever they have, it will probably be something off the wall we’ve never seen before.

But, it’s still early days – and I’m judging the Xbox 360 without having seen the finished product. Hopefully, Microsoft will deliver some surprises which will make the console truly next generation. However, the cynic in me really doesn’t think it will happen.

Fingers crossed.

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25 Comments
7 years ago
i think the XBox 360 could be the death of MS computer entertainment (or whatever it's called... the XBox division) for most of the reasons you've mentioned... it is essentially an upgraded console (similar to how PC people upgrade components... but in an Apple manner: throw it all out and start again) whereas Nintendo is promising "revolution"ary advances in gaming, and (supposedly) so are Sony (albeit in the way our home entertainment units are setup, rather than from a gaming POV)...

if MS can't come up with something more than wireless controllers as standard, they should (and deserve to) struggle...

of course if Nintendo mishandle everything in terms of promotion again, they'll probably snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...

i don't know if i agree with you about the next generation needs something new (like the 3rd dimension of the PSX/N64 era) since what did this generation offer over the last? Online play really... and i don't think that couldn't have been done previous to now, it's just it hadn't been done... (and i don't really see the point either...)
7 years ago
Online and significant graphical advancement - the old consoles were about as good as they were going to get visually. Same deal with the progression from NES -> SNES, and Master System -> Mega Drive. While the PS2 has probably reached its graphical peak, the Xbox and Cube definitely haven't.

...And you don't see the point of online consoles? Perhaps you could get a job at Nintendo. It definitely couldn't have been done before this generation, as the internet was only taking off as the N64/PSX launched in 96/97. Plus, console games over dialup? No thanks.
7 years ago
well, i kinda assumed graphical progression went unsaid... guess i was wrong icon_rolleyes.gif

re: online - well thats kinda my point... any game over dial-up = no thanks, yet the PC did it and so could have the previous gen, they just didn't... the internet had been around a good deal before the n64 and psx launch... i can remember looking up details on both online before they had launched...

and no, i don't see the point of online consoles... i guess if you lived in the middle of nowhere it would be handy, but i just don't like it... maybe i'm just not playing the right games (halo 2 is poo...) (it's not the connection either, the 2 places i have played XBox and PS2 online are both on an 8mb connection)

a fair few other people i know with XBoxes and PS2s have tried online and then abandoned it again pretty quick, online PC games are just so much better... but i suppose consoles do have the disadvantage of only having had the one generation to play around with it...
7 years ago
Interesting points you raise. I'm still looking forward to seeing what they have to offer though.
7 years ago
They're setting the release way too early in my opinion. They're aiming to get the console out by the end of the year, which doesn't provide much graphical improvement and from the 'so-called' Xbox 360 images, doesn't look that much ahead of what PCs are producing today, or close to.

I agree that Xbox 360 doesn't look to be offering anything at interesting or unique that'll actually buy gamers to their console. A bunch of sequels, a promise for a new fantastic online experience and the best graphics experienced. Sequels always win for the casual gamers I suppose, but the gamers aren't finding anything exciting and I'm sure the casuals will begin to realise this.

First released consoles (like by a fair margin as far as we know) is always a risky business. The consoles stands for outdated hardware and has the unfair balance of not knowing what their competition will throw onto the market. It's like the 3DO console, failed terribly because of it's early jump on the 3D market. The PS2 is 'failing' in my opinion now. The hardware is far to old to produce what can be seen on both the Gamecube and Xbox consoles, which can effect how well the PS2 sells.

I'm interested to see what the Xbox 360 will offer, but at the moment it just seems that Microsoft just want to have a head start on the next-generation market so they can dominate the video-game market for a while - therefore I think they'll crash badly because of this decision. If Nintendo can offer something so amazing and unique that'll shape the video-game market into a completely new direction - like they've done so many times in the past - and Sony can also produce a console that'll just overcast the Xbox 360 then I think it's very possible that Microsoft may be making a big mistake in trying to jump into the next-generation way too early.

I hate to be negative, but that's the way I see it. Nothing seems to be appealing and it's just speculation that's creating this console at the moment. I hope i'll be eatting my words come E3 though, since I'm hoping that this Xbox 360 will present something different to the market.

Good article though.
7 years ago
But the internet didn't really take off until about the same time those consoles launched. Sure it existed, but like any early technology, it wasn't something most homes had. When those consoles were designed way back in 95, I'm sure it wasn't even a consideration.

I agree that PC online gaming is probably better than console gaming, though - largely because the games aren't up to PC standards yet. I haven't been able to tear myself away from Day of Defeat for years, despite the fact I'm on dialup. But, PC online can easily be a nightmare for novices, hence the same pick up and play appeal for online that applies for consoles in general.

Another good point, Mark - Microsoft could be pulling a Dreamcast, here. Great start, but things could quickly fall to pieces...
7 years ago
Brendan wrote
But, PC online can easily be a nightmare for novices, hence the same pick up and play appeal for online that applies for consoles in general.
i guess thats true... i suppose everyone i know who's bought, then abandoned online console ability was a PC onliner first, so comparitively it's not good... and the people i know who have kept it, are a good deal younger than me (cousins and so on...)
7 years ago
Wow, great article man. I totally agree.
7 years ago
You're all forgetting the "Xbox has Halo man. Halo kiks ass dude. Xbox is good cuz its not for girlz and it has Halo." impact icon_wink.gif
7 years ago
uh oh, xbox "2," halo "3," looks like they're running out of ideas....
7 years ago
Oh, and of course, the reason they are pushing the generation early is the massive losses they are still taking on Xbox 1, and the fact they are still only at 15% market share.

What makes then think they'll lose any less money or ge any more market share by rushing the new one out?

To me it seems like a slap in the face for current owners. I mean, if you bought an Xbox for over $300 last christmas, how happy are you to see it outdated by it's own company this christmas? (When your friend who bought a PS2 or Gamecube hasn't had their console outdated).

And then there's the name - it's incredibly trite. Designed to sound like both 'Revolution' and '3', so both other companies' new console names sound 'old' when they come out.
7 years ago
D.Lo wrote
And then there's the name - it's incredibly trite. Designed to sound like both 'Revolution' and '3', so both other companies' new console names sound 'old' when they come out.
heh, i got the 360=revolution similarity, but missed the THREE60=PS3 thing...

interesting...

7 years ago
Also there's the factor that not many 3rd party companies will independently support the Xbox 360, since I'm sure these companies wouldn't want to solely focus on a console with a smaller user-base, which would really ruin their profits when they could simply support current consoles such as the PS2 and Gamecube. I'm not fully aware of Microsoft's 3rd party support, but I'm sure that's a factor that may slow down the console's support. But then again, they may’ve approached several companies prior to this.

It's happened in the past, that without a good line-up of constant ‘casual gamer’ selling games, the console may indeed fail. It's like with those 'amazing' movie-to-game titles, which often span across all platforms. Will companies split off a new development team to just work on the Xbox 360 hardware? Is the hardware similar enough to previous Xbox hardware so that it won't be hard for developers? There's so many questions at the moment and there's a massive risk with what Microsoft want to achieve.

Companies have succeeded in the past with jumping in first, but nothing has really impressed me to make me think that the Xbox 360 will survive and become profitable. I’m optimistic in what the console has to offer though, but I’m sure this may change with all three next-generation consoles ready to be revealed in only a few weeks. It’s certainly going to be an interesting E3 this year though, each company competing to gain a reputation on the show floor.
7 years ago
Quote: "Nintendo’s… Well, whatever they have, it will probably be something off the wall we’ve never seen before."

You probably need a bit more research. Nintendo have already announced the "Revolution" will have a wireless internet connection as standard, which not only means broadband out of the box, but it can also act as a hub from multiplayer DS gaming. Which is good news since the GameCube had next to no online gaming available, hell, if it weren't for the Sonic Team pusing Nintendo with Phantasy Star Online, chances are, there would never have been a modem made for the Cube.

However, I very much agree with the games. I have only seen 1 original game announced for the next generation, and that is the very cool sounding Condemned from Monolith and Sega. It's a horror game where your chasing serial killers and use forensic tools to keep in their tail as well as running into enemies along the way. The screens also show more believeable screens of what to expect from early 256-bit games, unlike the FMV-looking stuff EA has been showing lately.

While sequals aren't necessarily a bad thing (certainly looking forward to next-gen GTA and Resident Evil), MS will need some originality to really show what the machine can do, since you'll probably find reviews like "it's very similar to the prequals on the Xbox, only with better graphics."
7 years ago
The Almighty Bunghole wrote
Quote: "Nintendo’s… Well, whatever they have, it will probably be something off the wall we’ve never seen before."

You probably need a bit more research. Nintendo have already announced the "Revolution" will have a wireless internet connection as standard, "
Free online service is not very revolutionary. DC had it. I think it has to be something ALOT larger than that.
7 years ago
Hell, in my opinion any Internet/network service, whether landline or wireless will do, as long as the reliability and functionality is there will greatly increase the ompact and appeal of games on any system. In te Revolution's case, it means one less wire in the console (which would be very useful for a LAN of Revolutions). In the case of the Xbox 2 (Xbox 360 is a very silly name) it means a much more comprehensive internet gaming system, with personal profiles, stat tracking, the kind of infrastructure Nintendo are unlikely to construct.

The latest Hyper Magazine has these supposed 'official specs' for the Xbox 2 (3x 3.0 Ghz PowerPC cores, 256mb RAM, 500Mhz GPU, software audio, optional hard drive etc). The mag also has some exclusive screens of Condemned of the Xbox 2 and Star Wars Battlefront II - lads have been busy. I'll also agree with The Almighty Bunghole that Condemned both looks and sounds very cool. The screens of it place it somewhere between Doom 3, Killer 7, Fatal Frame and Forbidden Siren - style graphics.

It's pretty much all we've seen screenshot-wise of the next generation. If we can take this as any indication, most likely the key area in terms of graphics that will improve are T&L (Textures and lighting) as well as a fair polygon boost. Of course, much of this is still speculation, which is why E3 is going to be very interesting indeed. icon_biggrin.gif
7 years ago
The concept of that Condemned game sounds laughable "use forensic tools to keep (o)n their tail", just what are "forensic tools"? Tools for forensic-ing? It just sounds absurd. A forensic investigation looks into every minute detail to try and piece together the larger picture. Looking for clothes fibres to trace back to the perpertrator etc. How can that be used to stay on their heels? Obviously if it is a serial killer forensic evidence might uncover some sort of method to their madness. But still its ludicrous. And meeting enemies along the way? What is this Mario?

Those official specs sound horrible to work with. 3 cores? Only 256mb Ram? My PC has more RAM than that. 3 cores is going to be a bitch to program for. Software audio? Isn't it going to be 5.1?

Revolutions wifi support has me stoked for the possibilities. Mainly in regards to the DS. There could be some sort of mario paint utility on the DS, and then you can transfer your creations to Revolution games. Maybe create your own faces, new characters, that sort of thing. Could be quite interesting to see what uses come about. Using the Rev as a hub might be cool, it could provide more managerial control. Thus banning PictoChat spammers becomes viable icon_biggrin.gif
7 years ago
The Almighty Bunghole wrote
You probably need a bit more research. Nintendo have already announced the "Revolution" will have a wireless internet connection as standard
I'm aware of that (I wrote an article recapping the announcement when it happened, actually), but that's not something I would say is 'revolutionary' concept. Even if you believe it is, I'm sure it won't be the extent of it, either - Mark's thread on the gaming forum contains some possible new ideas.
7 years ago
another game in the bloody Tony Hawk series
Oh God not another, I lost it after the 4th one. Underground 2 added the Jackass crew or something didnt it? They must really be running out of ideas..

Im not surprised that Microsoft would be releasing sequels rather than new titles at E3. Not a great way to show of a new generation hey..
But I think we can be sure of new originials some where along the line.

Quite dissapointing how gaming has turned. I really dont think they should be clicking over to the next gen so early. Ive said it before but I will say it again. 2D to 3D thats a big leap. Now the jump in graphics is very small. Actually im not sure if I will rush into getting the next gens.

In a couple of years time there going to be horrible even though there stats look good. Only the Revolution is looking intresting - with its unique ideas for input from users. Now thats revolutionary. Why wont Developers notice this and support Nintendo instead - oh wait a sec, the industry is only about money these days.

Imagine if all developers released all there games for every console. How much would Nintendo's consoles stand out then..
7 years ago
Eve6 wrote
Imagine if all developers released all there games for every console. How much would Nintendo's consoles stand out then?
Not very much as if the input is going to be somewhat unique, then surely it would need to be built around that idea. If all developers supported consoles equally then, yes Nintendo would stand out.

Woo 2000th post...I guess I ought to make a topic...
7 years ago
^ Ill wait for your topic then icon_wink.gif
7 years ago
armageddon12 wrote
Those official specs sound horrible to work with. 3 cores? Only 256mb Ram? My PC has more RAM than that. 3 cores is going to be a bitch to program for. Software audio? Isn't it going to be 5.1?
Take into account a console only needs to load a game, not an OS or the million other processes that are going on in the background of a PC. The current Xbox only has 64mb of ram, the GCN has 48mb.

armageddon12 wrote
Using the Rev as a hub might be cool, it could provide more managerial control. Thus banning PictoChat spammers becomes viable
How about using a Rvolution as a gateway for online DS play? Sounds like a good idea to me. icon_biggrin.gif

Eve6 wrote
another game in the bloody Tony Hawk series
Oh God not another, I lost it after the 4th one. Underground 2 added the Jackass crew or something didnt it? They must really be running out of ideas..
I for one would like the focus to go back on the gameplay aesthetic. Tony Hawk 1 and 2 had a fairly close representation of skateboarding. Things got a little out of hand with 3, and then things got far too unrealistc with the underground series (with the right stats, using a small ramp could launch you straight over a building). Goals became large collect-a-thons or arbitrary actions that only had the fact that your character was on a skateboard to relate to the sport. I don't mind a new Tony Hawk game, if it doesn't focus on being an adventure game on a skateboard, but more focused on the skating itself. The keywords 'hardcore', 'extreme', and 'destruction' should also not be present in the game under any circumstances.

Eve6 wrote
In a couple of years time there going to be horrible even though there stats look good. Only the Revolution is looking intresting - with its unique ideas for input from users. Now thats revolutionary. Why wont Developers notice this and support Nintendo instead - oh wait a sec, the industry is only about money these days.
I figure the entire purpose of the industry - and any other industry for that matter is profit. At a raw level, businesses supply products to consumers for money. If there is high demand for a product, then there are likely to be high sales and the potential to maximise profit. In this sense it's really the market audience that dictates the kind of games these companies supply us. Yes - it is a pity, since it is often the look of a game that would drive a potential customer to purchase, which can account for the multitude of rap and hip hop in videogames recently (Fear and Respect and 50 Cent: Bulletproof being recent examples).

It's admirable that Nintendo are making themselves unique in the industry, but in the end being unique doesn't necessarily mean being good to play. The thought of a gyroscopic controller doesn't impress me in the slightest. It limits the type of games that would benefit from such a control scheme (much like the GCN controller made traditional fighting games an ordeal to play) and could alienate the third parties. Nintendo have been down that road before.

I for one think Nintendo can make their console unique by all means, but if they are to reach out to their target market (Everyone), they need to be more accessible and less niche.
7 years ago
CerebralAssassin wrote
armageddon12 wrote
Those official specs sound horrible to work with. 3 cores? Only 256mb Ram? My PC has more RAM than that. 3 cores is going to be a bitch to program for. Software audio? Isn't it going to be 5.1?
Take into account a console only needs to load a game, not an OS or the million other processes that are going on in the background of a PC. The current Xbox only has 64mb of ram, the GCN has 48mb.
Yeah I know, I was merely messing about. But my main concern is the fact that Microsoft are trying to push HD technology, surely there would be a need for a greater amount of RAM for larger textures? I guess when you put it like that though it does seem more than sufficient.

CerebralAssassin wrote
armageddon12 wrote
Using the Rev as a hub might be cool, it could provide more managerial control. Thus banning PictoChat spammers becomes viable
How about using a Rvolution as a gateway for online DS play? Sounds like a good idea to me. icon_biggrin.gif
Yeah that's what I thought. Would make it more accessible to some.

CerebralAssassin wrote
It's admirable that Nintendo are making themselves unique in the industry, but in the end being unique doesn't necessarily mean being good to play. The thought of a gyroscopic controller doesn't impress me in the slightest. It limits the type of games that would benefit from such a control scheme (much like the GCN controller made traditional fighting games an ordeal to play) and could alienate the third parties. Nintendo have been down that road before.
I think they are including the gyroscopic control rather than making it the main focus of the controller design. It would be very simple to include it in a standard controller design. There is a lot of space in most controllers. It just sounds like an additional thing they are throwing in there.
7 years ago
Good read, but in my opinion the PS3 is in danger of becoming the alienated console here. For one I highly doubt the 360 will be lacking in terms of power when compared to the PS3. Chances are the PS3 base specs are almost in stone, so they will be much alike in terms of crunching power. Which in truth is not even a factor anymore, as our friends at Nintendo seem to love pointing out. So launching late will in a bad move IMO (everybody likes new toys, like at the DS and PSP sales figures PLUS it’s been a while since the last console).

The thing that makes me interested in the 360 is it is tailored at personalisation and convergence online, with easy of use and features. The idea of Gamer profiles and more immersive Live feature, sounds intriguing and I'm interested to see more. Also having an already well subscribed user base to build on, they are already onto a winning formula. Plus talk of Web-TV for 360 users certainly is interesting. Potentially a form of Gaming Television may be born of some sort. It seems to me Microsoft have used the Xbox has a test tool (hence the short lifecycle) and building on everything that made it successful.

On the other side of the ring, to me, the PS3 will be pushed as a high end home entertainment box (like the PS2 was) with things nobody really wants. PS2 was a huge success initially because DVD was newish and it was a way of getting a cheap DVD player with a expensive console. The DVD format is enough room for anything today, so why do we need Blue Ray technology? And all this talk about a “cell” processor that can control your toaster, fridge and games is a bit silly. The PS3 so far hasn't announced anything that is a "pulling" factor apart from a funny processor and a new standard of optical storage, and I think it will hurt them in the long run.

Nintendo on the other hand are at least trying to distance themselves from the other two, which will make them geniuses or turn into Sega.
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