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30 Oct, 2009

Good Game co-host Junglist sacked

PALGN News | Series Hexed?
On Monday night at 8.30, gamers around the nation tuned in to watch the much-loved Good Game television program on ABC2. You can imagine their surprise to find that co-host Jeremy ‘Junglist’ Ray had been replaced by a new female presenter, Stephanie ‘Hex’ Bendixsen. In true fanboy fashion, ABC message boards and forums across the web exploded with many long-time viewers venting their anger at the sudden change.

ABC Head of Arts and Entertainment Amanda Duthie told TV Tonight that the show needed a breath of fresh air.

"After three years, we felt Good Game needed a refresh to take the program into 2010 and beyond, and the decision was made to change the hosting team," she said.

With mounting viewer anger and a rapidly growing Facebook group calling for Junglist’s return, the Good Game team posted a response on the official program ABC message board:

"For all sorts of reasons we are unable to tell you things that have happened over many months inside Team Good Game which have impacted on the production. That's just real life folks. We know it leaves many questions unanswered but we have reached that point where we really can’t say any more than that."

Nonetheless, the production team said that "The decision to take Junglist off air was not forced upon us by ABC Management and it's one that is fully supported by all the GG team. We are gutted that it has come to this but in our opinion it absolutely had to happen."

Junglist quickly responded, calling the ABC’s previous statement into question:

"I can tell you that this is a lie. There was no vote taken, no consensus reached. In fact, the GG team was completely unaware of the change until the same day I found out. The same confidentiality clause that prevented me from saying anything publicly, prevented management from telling them anything.

"I have spoken to members of the GG team who clearly DON'T support this, but can't say anything publicly. Of course they'll tow the party line. They have to.

"Up until now the situation has just been poorly handled. But to now LIE to your own audience, in an effort to save face for replacing an experienced reviewer/presenter with an inexperienced one, is quite simply the lowest thing I've ever seen ABC management do."

"I feel now as if I'm being professionally attacked, so here's a truth bomb. In the meeting where I was told I would be replaced, the reason given was they wanted a girl on the show. "Mass appeal" was a direct quote from that meeting. After a half-hour of explaining how they'll lose their hardcore following, they responded that yes, they knew this, but expected to make up the numbers with a new following. 'A show can grow beyond its hardcore base', is another direct quote."

Remaining on-air presenter Steven ‘Bajo’ O’Donnell and Good Game Series Producer Syd stand by the ABC’s original statement.

"Jung mate, I'm sorry to say it but you are wrong… no one on the team feels we have to tow the party line here - no one has been coerced into doing or saying anything they don't want to… That's the truth we need to swallow here… as bitter a taste as it might leave in our mouths," said Syd.

Syd also addressed the gender issue. "Regardless of what Jung might say GG will NOT be dumbed down and I state again, the decision was nothing to do with bringing in a girl… I'm a girl and I started this show - I don’t care about the gender of the presenters - I just care about having the best people working on it," she added.

Bajo also chimed in.

"We have felt professionally attacked by some of the posts by Jung, with the inability to reply due to confidentiality. So we cannot drop our own 'truth bomb'. While Junglist may have his own version of events, so do we…"

Stay tuned to PALGN for more on the issue as it unfolds.

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47 Comments
2 years ago
I don't know why Jung couldn't have just kept his mouth shut. He pretty just killed his chances of going elsewhere. Who is going to want to take a risk on someone who will easily bad mouth them, which only seems to compliments ABC's claim of bad performance.
2 years ago
I'm just appalled that Hex, as both a female and a gamer, hasn't played kingdom hearts before. I thought it was just what they did, the real ones, not the ones who play the sims.
2 years ago
i've been watching the good game forums but the things said in here is news to me. wow could you imagine the ramifications if what junglist says is true?
2 years ago
Benc82 wrote
^The ABC said

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"The reason for replacing Jeremy Ray was ongoing behind the scenes performance based issues," said a statement from ABC TV publicist Tony Brooks.

"Ray’s performance issues were severely impacting the quality and smooth-running of the show, as well as making life difficult for the rest of the team.
So I guess thats why not 3 hosts.
So you just assume that's the truth?


@Scrav: I wouldn't be so sure about that, all of his bad mouthing appears to be true anyway. Sure it might mean potential employers are scared he would do the same to him, but I think if they take his side and have sympathy for him they just wouldn't do the same and wouldn't be worried. Also this has gained him A LOT of publicity, which he would not have gotten as much off if he just stayed quiet or even worse just acted as if he was happy with it.

That said it has also gained a lot of publicity for GG so there will be lots of people tuning in now to check out the new show, many of them without having even seen it with Jung and being casual gamers, then them possibly enjoying the show and continuing to watch it making the move a success. If this is good or bad however I don't know yet.
2 years ago
^I don't really assume anything, I have no idea what goes on at the ABC off camera (and i'm pretty sure no one here does). I'm just saying thats ABC's reason for sacking him (whether its true or not).
2 years ago
oomlot wrote
I'm just appalled that Hex, as both a female and a gamer, hasn't played kingdom hearts before. I thought it was just what they did, the real ones, not the ones who play the sims.
Dude, honestly. I've heard so many people saying how appalled they are that Hex has never played Kingdom Hearts before, but really, the series isn't that amazingly popular. If it was something like Mario or Zelda that she'd never played before, maybe you could have a chuckle, but not all hardcore gamers have played that series.

I'm not defending her just because I haven't played it either. I'm not.
2 years ago
Puddingfork wrote
@Scrav: I wouldn't be so sure about that, all of his bad mouthing appears to be true anyway. Sure it might mean potential employers are scared he would do the same to him, but I think if they take his side and have sympathy for him they just wouldn't do the same and wouldn't be worried. Also this has gained him A LOT of publicity, which he would not have gotten as much off if he just stayed quiet or even worse just acted as if he was happy with it.
I don't quite agree. Sympathy has no place in the business world, unless you can profit from it. That might have worked in his favour, if he didn't have that outburst. Sure it gave him publicity, but none that will likely help his cause. He may appear to be a champion to gamers, but a mixed problem to the business world, as his lack of business sense could cause problems in other ways.

Online gamers rallied to his cause, but he will be quickly forgotten as soon as this event brushes over. The entertainment industry knows this, and will probably decide this is the best approach.
2 years ago
I always hated Bajo. He should have been sacked instead. Margaret Pomeranz said it best, "You're such a noob, Bajo." icon_lol.gif
2 years ago
Benc82 wrote
^I don't really assume anything, I have no idea what goes on at the ABC off camera (and i'm pretty sure no one here does). I'm just saying thats ABC's reason for sacking him (whether its true or not).
That's kind of an assumption FYI because as you stated you, I and everyone else here dunno what goes on in those meetings of boards to discern either way, as it is Junglist got pissed that he was informed he was dropped and not given a chance at redemption and decided to vent to his fans, a war of words erupted with the Game of the good staff and Junglist and the technirabid fanboys, that whether true or not there is no single factor which attributed to Junglist being dropped as nothing is ever that simple.

Take the GG thread here prior to the article you will find responses about Hex being hot and bangable from the male crowd, her mere presence lends credence to the response that the shift would be to work on the male hormones.
Take the ABC's words and you have Junglist as an outspoken rebel in the corporate world who can't take direction, his outbursts at being sacked would back this viewpoint up.
Take Junglists' words and you have the conservatism gone wild with an active push to replace with an opposite gender under faux guidelines and dealing with the issue rather piss poorly.

No one is singularly responsible and to do so would be to assume that the issue is cut and dry, black and white instead of Michael Jackson (too soon? Too soon! I'M SORRY OH GREAT ONE FORGIVE ME)

So yeah, seemed very scripted with Hex, so I would expect an easing in period before gauging what she brings to the table besides T&A to the male audience and whether or not her style when flourishing actually works or flounders horribly. Either way, Junglist should continue to fight the fight, as that will be the only way we get snibbets of actuality instead of heresay, as soon as he drops it, the ABC will fade back into obscurity on the manner.
2 years ago
I was really never a fan of the show (... at all) but I see it like this: the ABC has seen the success of the multi-gendered approach to video games in programmes such as Attack of the Show. Why wouldn't they want to jump on the bandwagon, emulating a popular US show?

Of course, that does tie in with the audience target (though for a different reason). It wouldn't take a genius to think this as the genuine reason for the removal of the presenter.
2 years ago
I was thinking that Junglist could always go to Canada and join the Pure Pwnage guys. Would make things interesting the next time the two shows would meet. icon_wink.gif
2 years ago
She ain't that hot, any chick with a massacre stick can doll up. She reminds me of the other white host too much, I miss my accented friend.

Oh well, I’m sure I will get over it in a millisecond.

What are we talkin about.....?
2 years ago
So Junglist got kicked out and they lied on the show by saying he now works behind the scenes. ABC should tell the truth. In the mean time even though I though Hex was OK. I will not be viewing this show again unless they bring Junglist back.

Game On
2 years ago
seany wrote
So Junglist got kicked out and they lied on the show by saying he now works behind the scenes.
They didn't lie about that from what I understand. He had a month contract left with them, so they put him behind the scenes, but then he did a public f*** y**. The whole fired things appears to be a media misrepresentation from removing him as host to behind the scenes, unless they fired him after his public outburst (which would make sense).
2 years ago
Fly wrote
Benc82 wrote
^I don't really assume anything, I have no idea what goes on at the ABC off camera (and i'm pretty sure no one here does). I'm just saying thats ABC's reason for sacking him (whether its true or not).
That's kind of an assumption FYI .
Not an assumption, i'll requote for you (sorry i dont have the link anymore but it was somewhere on news.com.au the other day)

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"The reason for replacing Jeremy Ray was ongoing behind the scenes performance based issues," said a statement from ABC TV publicist Tony Brooks.

"Ray’s performance issues were severely impacting the quality and smooth-running of the show, as well as making life difficult for the rest of the team.
Like I said, could be complete bollocks, but thats the reason ABC are giving for sacking this guy.
I can't believe how much talk this is getting. There's more talk around than when Eddie boned Jessica & when John Jarratt stopped making terrible things out of wood on Better Homes and Gardens & when Geoff Jansz was replaced by that smiley no-hoper who cooks abysmal food and pronounces things in a creepy way.

To be honest, I didn't think he was such an irreplaceable host. He may have been one of the original hosts, but that's about it as far as I'm concerned. He came across to me as quite scripted, as evidenced by the first episode featuring Hex where she came across as similar - particularly with the reviews.

The time limit on reviews is an interesting one. On one hand, I see the need for an extended amount of time, but on the other I can see ABC's viewpoint. Why should people bother tuning in for out of date information. And let's be honest here: thee guys were no Margaret and David.

When it all boils down to it, he was probably given a raw deal, but it was wrong of him to publicly lash out. I don't really see any advantage to doing that. If anything, it's a loss of respect. Even if we did know the truth, so what? The guy is gone.

Anyway, I don't even know what I'm talking about. It's ten to one and I'm tired as all hell, but I can't even be bothered lying down and going to sleep. This is probably the worst thing about the Internet. You have these uneducated, sleep deprived morons like myself spouting their ridiculous nonsensical opinions about issues that don't even concern them all the while making complete fools out of themselves.
2 years ago
I watched a couple of episodes of this show. It was a decent show so I subscribed to the vodcast. On the face of it I saw nothing wrong with either of the guys, they were decent. However, maybe the statement "he was making life difficult for the rest of the team". Although the quality of the show was fine to me as viewer.
2 years ago
I've never been a fan of 'gamer' shows in general, especially the Australian ones, ever since The Zone. The most lingering memories I have of that show are Sega Megazone bashing and silly in-jokes.

With a million (albeit over half are from angry, 14 year old douchebags) youtube vids, 'Lets Play *insert game*' sites, independent gaming sites and a bazillion other resources at our disposal, I just don't see their purpose.

Still, sucks for him to be booted out the government funded doors of ABC, in favour of a 'gamer grrl' to draw in a 'potential audience' that doesn't know/care about ABC2, let alone GG.
2 years ago
Just an update

A cached copy of the GoodGame forums exists and has been posted elsewhere on the web, showing that a damning section of a statement by GoodGame Production Co-Ordinator TheGog was deleted to make way for a conflicting official statement posted later by "The GoodGame Team".

http://tinyurl.com/ylyzkrc

alternative URL
http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:AtjmwnGJ1GkJ:www2b.abc.net.au/tmb/Client/Message.aspx%3Fb%3D59%26m%3D281780%26ps%3D20%26dm%3D2+%22it+is+a+decision+made+from+above+which+certainly+had+a+lot+of+us+behind+the+scenes+worried%22&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

The original post has the producion co-ordinator TheGog stating that the decision to sack Junglist was not a team one and came from above:

" Trust me, it sucks for me, I'm terrible at keeping secrets and such and just want to tell you guys the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but I am fond of my job and I don't like to step on others toes so you aint gonna hear nuthin from me.

"You're all smart enough and have heard enough to know that it wasn't Jung's choice and I can tell you it wasn't anything I personally had a say in, so it is a decision made from above which certainly had a lot of us behind the scenes worried", he says.


This verifies Junglist's claims on the forum of the official GoodGame statement occurring later as being a lie, as reported at

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2009/10/game-on-former-abc-host-slams-axing-as-a-lie.html

ABC's and some other sources' coverage of the story omitted Junglist's direct statement that the ABC has lied.

Online communities wait in expectation of an ABC management statement about the deleted information.

Facebook users have for a time had trouble posting the link on Facebook, as some Facebook users have reported the link as "abusive".

Some GoodGame forum users have complained that negative feedback about Monday's show has been deleted.
2 years ago
To find a team member statement that was deleted and changed by ABC to make way for the lie, go to this cached google page:
http://tinyurl.com/ylyzkrc
or
http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:AtjmwnGJ1GkJ:www2b.abc.net.au/tmb/Client/Message.aspx%3Fb%3D59%26m%3D281780%26ps%3D20%26dm%3D2+%22it+is+a+decision+made+from+above+which+certainly+had+a+lot+of+us+behind+the+scenes+worried%22&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

(the lie being it was a team decision that the team agreed with, not handed down by some suit up above)

They found and deleted this conflicting statement by the distresssed production co-ordinator, but not before it could be found elsewhere on the net and the link to it was posted everywhere.

(facebook was even not allowing this link to be posted for a time, due to some users marking it as "abusive"... hmm I wonder who doesn't want us to see this cached page)

www.savejunglist.com
2 years ago
If performance issues were the real reason Junglist was axed, they would have had a fairwell episode.

As I said on the forums,

It would be correct to assume that, between the contradictory posts by staff on the GG forums and the secretive-underhanded moves by ABC, that something suspicious is a-foot!

I honestly mean no personal offense to Hex when I say this but, ABC is just using her as a gimmick.

I shall definitely keep watching Good Game.

After all, the main reason I watched was because of the reviews and not particularly the interactions and chemistry between the hosts...Although that will be sorely missed.

Oh and mainly because it is on after Red Dwarf! icon_biggrin.gif
1 year ago
is that you junglist
1 year ago
synestergates69 wrote
this is a very late comment but i never ever watch the show anymore and what happened between them puts me off more i am so sick of the abc **** up all their shows the abc should go suck a dick. jungalist was the better of the 2 hosts on good game and he always shared his honest opinion about a game and i feel they dont do that anymore they try and stay away a bit from all the bad stuff i a game hense people thinking its better then it is the show needed jung i trusted him with all my purchases cause he was always completely honest.
Junglist was a douche and the show is better off without him.
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