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Kimberley Ellis
03 Oct, 2009

Spore set to evolve to the silver screen

PALGN News | Game to be adapted as animated feature.
With over 100 million creatures created from the virtual primordial ooze of Spore since its release in 2008, it comes as no surprise that Electronic Arts has just signed a deal with Twentieth Century Fox to bring the publisher's popular creature creation title to the big screen as an animated film.

Variety is reporting that the film will be helmed by Ice Age director, Chris Wedge.

"I'm always looking for unique worlds to go to in animation," Wedge said. "From every perspective -visually, thematically and comedically - the world of Spore provides the potential to put something truly original on the screen."

Lucy Bradshaw, Vice President of Maxis Studios, believes that this film adaptation will be a major draw card for luring a new players to the already strong 3.2 million fold, commenting "with more than 100 million unique creatures uploaded to our website, it's clear that people are passionate about the game, and it will be exciting to offer a powerful medium like film in order to expand their experience with Spore."

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13 Comments
2 years ago
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

They spent years hyping this game up as something that might finally be able to explain evolution to the masses, and it turned into what was more or less a promotion of creationism.

And they talk about poisoning the minds of children with garbage like games...
2 years ago
Lord Haart wrote
They spent years hyping this game up as something that might finally be able to explain evolution to the masses, and it turned into what was more or less a promotion of creationism.

And they talk about poisoning the minds of children with garbage like games...
Yeah except evolutionism doesnt make sense at all, people always think of evolution as monkey > human, its much more then that you need cosmic evolution , chemical evolution ( afew chemicals made everything else? ) , macro evolution e.g. monkey > human and i cant remeber the other one, none of which have been observed before.

Only evolution that exists and is observable is micro and thats adaptations to environments or effects from environments.

+ for natural selection you need this formula

1. Same animal , Species
2. Within 10km of each other
3. same age or 5 years apart
4. Attracted to each other
5. and the 1 in 100000000000000 billion chance of it recieving a mutation
6. Both the female and male having the same mutation
7. this process repeats billions of times over.

Yeah...
+ No beneficial mutation has ever been observed
( :you might say: Oh but it takes millions of year to observe mutations, )

True but animals dont live for millions of years , so it must be spontaneous.

: )
2 years ago
Ah, I see you've played Spore. :)

I can't speak for Biological evolution directly, as my knowledge there is limited to what others who study the area have told me. But in Computer Science, evolutionary algorithms most certainly work and definitely result in the kinds of systems we see around us. I definitely see beneficial mutations in the work I do everyday (training neural networks and other learning systems) so I know firsthand that the process is sound.

The primary statement made in the Theory of Evolution (my understanding at least) is that all species contain individuals with genetic differences, and some of these will be more or less advantageous than others, resulting in the overall population changing to suit the environment. (It should be noted that it's not about the population saying "Hey, wings would be handy right now, let's grow some", but rather "Hey, all the dudes without wings just died, good thing I have a pair").

We see beneficial mutations all the time, with people who are genetically more resistant to certain diseases. The common cold for one used to kill most people who got it, but most people these days are less susceptible to it (those who had a genetic makeup which couldn't survive the disease died, often before reproducing).

Evolution is still a theory, but the big difference between evolution and creationism is the 'ism'. One's a scientific theory presented based upon a mounting body of evidence, while the other is a philosophy. You can't disguise creationism as science any more than you could disguise evolution as a religion. It makes perfect sense to me though, and I don't know why you can't believe in a both deity and a scientific theory; they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
2 years ago
Yeah but evolution is taught as fact , it has been for years
The main approach is always,
1. Evolution is true
2. ( Presented arguement )
3. Oh! its just uhhh a theory

Creation can also be seen as a theory , but no one even tries to look there.
E.g. If we look at the christian bible
Lets say we take away all the god miracles and just stick to the famous story " the flood "
Evolution has no explanation of how we have fossil fuels
Evolution has no real explanation of how we even have fossils as they require rapid covering by minerals and water.

Just really simple things that are the base of evolution , do not even have a valid starting point.

And im curious , what do you mean by computer science? that a bunch of data has been put together that fits or that time charts make sense?
I dont get it.
2 years ago
*Reads all of the above, and having studied both evolution and creationism, has own opinion, how ever... I'll keep my nose out of it..*

Well, looking at how ice age came about, I am expecting a lot from the film, but after many games turned movies, i am still bracing for both failure or even the movie now coming about (cough - halo - cough)...

I don't care much for whether or not the science is correct, because spore's intended audience is the average Joe who may not understand the complexities of natural selection, gene favouring or evolution, but the common understanding that as more time passes, one species may or may not exist, while others that adapt survive, and in some circumstances, will also show new characteristics to their ancestors.. :P

Having said that that now, I'm interested in seeing how they'll make such a sandbox style game have an actual storyline! Creatures don't live for 4,000,000,000 years like my PteraMaximus... So will it follow the linage of an organism, or will it be predominantly during the space age where evolution isn't the name of the game, but trade, colonization and allegiance are important factors to success!

Anyway... I am actually surprised that Maxis, or at least the group from it behind Spore and the Sims franchise have announced a movie and yet Zelda fans are still going on without one :O! Not trying to put down the spore team, but common, I would have expected a Zelda movie before a spore movie!
2 years ago
RanerX wrote
Yeah but evolution is taught as fact , it has been for years

The main approach is always,

1. Evolution is true

2. ( Presented arguement )

3. Oh! its just uhhh a theory

Creation can also be seen as a theory , but no one even tries to look there.

E.g. If we look at the christian bible

Lets say we take away all the god miracles and just stick to the famous story " the flood "

Evolution has no explanation of how we have fossil fuels

Evolution has no real explanation of how we even have fossils as they require rapid covering by minerals and water.

Just really simple things that are the base of evolution , do not even have a valid starting point.

And im curious , what do you mean by computer science? that a bunch of data has been put together that fits or that time charts make sense?

I dont get it.
.... You don't get it, because you're an uneducated twit. There, I said it.
2 years ago
RanerX wrote
Yeah...
+ No beneficial mutation has ever been observed
( :you might say: Oh but it takes millions of year to observe mutations, )

True but animals dont live for millions of years , so it must be spontaneous.

: )
bulls**t.

viruses evolved incredibly quickly, and we can track their evolution almost day to day. why do you think we need 'flu vaccines every year?
it's because the previous strain of the influenza virus mutated, and evolved to be resistant to the previous vaccination.
it's also why it's still possible to get the 'flu even after having a vaccination.

cross-breeding plants and crops to become more resistant to drought, or disease, or insects is another form of evolution. forced evolution, granted, and i'm not talking genetic manipulation in a laboratory - but rather what farmers and agriculturists had been doing for years. seeing one plant that thrives in an environment, and cross pollinating it with another, which doesn't, produces plants that have the benefits of both.
it also produces plants with the weaknesses of both, but they quickly die out and we don't get further "children".

the whole "we evolved from monkeys" is also incorrect, but serves a purpose to be told this way. it's what is known, in the scientific community, as "Lies to Children".
the concept of "Lies to Children" is that we learn from our mistakes. but because we know so much, it's impossible for anyone to be given a high-concept piece of information and understand it completely from the start, so we teach them the errors of our predecessors, and once the understand that concept, they'll start to question the issues surrounding that concept, when we say "well done, you're correct - so here's the reason for the mis-alignment in what you're seeing vs. what you know" and give them another "Lie to Children" that fills in the picture a little more, until, eventually, we run out of lies to tell, and they have to discover the next one for themselves, and to tell their "children".

the classic example of Lies to Children evolution, is the concept of matter.
as a child, we know there's solid, and liquid, and maybe we understand the concept of gaseous. and this is everything in the world.
then we learn about atoms, and how everything is made of atoms, and these are the smallest matter around.
but then we learn that atoms are made of protons, neutrons and electrons in a "plum pudding".
but now the atom is more like a solar system, with a nucleus and the electrons orbiting like planets.
and now the electrons aren't planets, but potentiality shells.
and then we learn of the further subatomic particles - quarks, leptons, bosons, hadrons, superpartners, and quasiparticles.
so on, and so forth (this is where my knowledge of this particular "Lies to Children" regime falters, but i don't doubt there's more lies beyond this one.)

in evolution terms, the "we evolved from monkeys" lie serves to introduce "children" to look at monkeys (or Chimpanzees - more specifically) and think "we do look somewhat similar in our general appearance".
we didn't evolve from monkeys, per se, we evolved from a monkey-like creature.
both humans and chimpanzees are top of their respective evolutionary ladders. they are as evolved as us, but they have evolved to overcome a different set of circumstances.
this is true of EVERY living thing on the planet. a slug is as evolved as we are, just evolved with a different "set of goals" in mind.
and as Lord Haart stated, the "goals" aren't intended, or pre-cognisant, but rather retroactive, when something didn't die, due to some random influence.

you are somewhat right on the fossil thing (although water is not essential). fossils require an incredibly fortuitous set of circumstances to come into being - that is fortuitous to us, because they generally require something pretty cataclysmic to the creature that ends up as a fossil. usually a flood, volcano, or avalanche are the primary widescale events, but sometimes more localised events - a sinkhole, for example.
i wouldn't doubt for a second that the fossils we have found only represent a small fraction of all the species of creatures that have existed. many would simply died without a trace.

however, i don't even know why you even brought fossils up as an argument against evolution. what possible reason do they have for existing in the creationist theory?
god's practical joke?

*looks up* i should've gone with my initial impulse and broken my fingers to stop from getting involved in this conversation...
2 years ago
^I see you've read Terry Pratchett ("lies to children"). Excellent reading, still my #1 author ever since I first read one of his books (back when Feet of Clay came out. I've read all of his works since). He has the extraordinary ability to explain complex concepts and themes in light hearted and funny ways.

I also didn't want to get too involved with the topic, but I couldn't help commenting after playing the travesty that was Spore. I know that it isn't meant to be a full-on explanation of evolution, but it does considerable harm to people's understanding of the concept by making evolution seem to be guided (though one could argue that god is the one setting the conditions for survival).

As for computer science (one of my degrees), I'm currently working with evolutionary algorithms which can train programs to perform actions (for example, teaching a computer player to shoot enemies in a first-person shooter). Obviously, such systems are far less complex than biological evolution, but to me they prove the concept at least, and my mediocre knowledge of biology certainly seems to reinforce evolution without ever having provided contrary evidence of any kind.

On the flip side, one can surely understand why I'd be skeptical about believing and claims against evolution when they come from a religious person, since such people have a distinct and inarguable bias. At this point I'd advise looking up memetics in wikipedia, and trying to apply that concept to this debate. It's both self-contradicting and ironic that religion forces its believers to deny evolution when it is evolution (of ideas) itself which has made religion into something which has a sense of self-preservation about it. Ironic.
2 years ago
drinniol wrote
.... You don't get it, because you're an uneducated twit. There, I said it.
That explained nothing,

Look guys im open to both idea's and ive looked into both religious and evolution,

Cross breeding is not a mutation but a trait,
a mutation is something that happens without any organic help and is given by mother nature ( natural selection )

You can make a white rabbit breed with a black one and you might get a grey rabbit, that isnt a mutation.
When i was talking about beneficial mutations i'am talking about in animals.

but whats the point of arguing here obviously people like dino are just coming here and attacking with no real answer.

( Lord Haart if it isnt too much trouble could you pm me a evolutionary algorithm ? )
2 years ago
You're using a whole lot of words in the wrong way there. Cross Breeding is not a trait, nor is it mutation, but it is part of the evolutionary process since it involves mixing DNA. Mutation certainly isn't due to any "intention" - that's the whole point of the theory of evolution, that it happens randomly.

RanerX wrote
You can make a white rabbit breed with a black one and you might get a grey rabbit, that isnt a mutation.
Actually, it very much IS. To the point where I'm pretty sure you haven't read any REAL material on evolution, making such a claim. Things like skin or fur colour do not simply "average" between the parent's colours, but rather the dominant colour is selected (unless both parents have the recessive gene). For a new colour to emerge, mutation must have occurred.

How is a virus any different from an animal (or human), for that matter? Aside from brain power, it's a survival machine just like all other organic creatures.

As for algorithms, do a search on google, since the stuff I have is pretty large. Better yet, take a look on youtube for videos where evolution has been simulated to produce things like walking and swimming behaviours, or even cooler, working eyes. It's all in software of course, but it demonstrates that the theory is logically sound.

RanerX wrote
but whats the point of arguing here...
There's no point in arguing - that would imply that our minds are made up already, which is antithetical to scientific practice. Rather, we should discuss it. But there seems to be a whole lot of material you haven't read which is necessary reading for this kind of discussion; there's plenty of good texts on evolution out there, why not pick one up before you discard the theory? I'm reading Dawkins atm, but he does tend to be patronising at times, so try another author if you wish. Magazines like National Geographic are also great when it comes to staying up to date with findings which support evolution (or alternatively raise more questions about it).
2 years ago
So, uh, on the topic of the movie...
I haven't played Spore at all, but I thought it was pretty much a game where there wasn't really a story line or anything. You create creatures, help them evolve and let them visit other user-created lands? Is that right?

If so, how is this going to work as a movie?
PALGN wrote
"From every perspective -visually, thematically and comedically - the world of Spore provides the potential to put something truly original on the screen."
What's the bet there will be a small group of organisms who grow to become wierd looking creatures, become unlikely acquaintances and get put into numerous "fish out of water" situations which they manage to get through together and come out as best buddies in the end?
2 years ago
Evolution mutation refers to natural selection and a random act of gene transformation that is not ordinary.

A mutation may mean a change in the gene's and i agree with that your saying about the term,
But the mutation i'am talking about is natural selection.

As for the bacteria and viruses that undergo mutations, personaly that isnt valid as it is taught in evolution that animals evolved into other animals through beneficial mutations. ( and yes, before the animals it was the the chemical 'soup/viruses/bacteria' )

Main my point im coming across is that,
The same mutation that is extremely rare and has never been observed in animals, must happen twice ( male , female ) and then the proximity of those two , same species and they must both survive the disaster/environment change that would of wiped out all the other animals/species that didnt have the mutation.
2 years ago
but it doesn't have to happen twice.
(well, not in the terms that both aspects of the breeding pair have to have it.)

what has to happen is ONE creature with a mutation has to reproduce.
if the mutation gives it some benefit already, then chances are it will reproduce more than once (since most animals don't partner for life) and odds are the mutation will carry on.
eventually, if the mutation is beneficial enough, then the mutated things out-number the originals, and natural selection has occurred.

there doesn't have to be a disaster that wipes out the old animals, it's simply that the new animals are more efficient, are able to gather their food more effectively, better able to hide from things that want to eat them, or are simply better able to attract a mate and thus improve their chances of continuing the line.

things can just die out gradually. this is even the current theory (or Lies to Children) on man before homo sapiens. they didn't die out suddenly, and nor did we kill them for being thick, there is vast amounts of fossil evidence that we existed concurrently, and even co-operatively. but we lived better than they did, therefore we survived better.

as for current evidence: how about the appendix organ?
it's original function was to break down cellulose from the food we ate, but as we discovered that cooking things make it taste better, we no longer ingest cellulose, and therefore there's nothing for it to breakdown, so now it just floats there, unconnected to anything.

how about the little toe?
originally it was "designed" for balance, but as we've adopted shoes, there is no longer a need for it, and especially in the western world, there is evidence that it's receding. they are becoming proportionally smaller and smaller, and eventually, we'll only be able to count to 18 on our fingers and toes.
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